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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Wow.
    Can you -show- that the 70-30 black opposition to same-sex marriage is based on religion, or do you simply assume that if you're against same-sex marriage, it is because of religion?

    If it is 'apparent', then I suggest you -can- show that the 70-30 black opposition to same-sex marriage is based on religion.
    Marriage is a religious institution. This Prop is a religious matter.

    California populace has supported the idea of domestic partnerships/civil unions for homosexual couples, which gives all the same rights without the marriage label. What they have voted against is not stripping the right but stripping the marriage label.

    Let me ask you. What motives would someone have other then religion to support civil unions but not marriage of homosexuals? Civil unions have all the same rights, just not the same label.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    A colleague of mine told me this morning that the increased voter turn out this year could have increased the chances of prop 8 passing. Her reasoning was that minority voters have skyrocketed in CA. The large majority of Latinos and African Americans (or at least the elder portion of them) do not approve of the gay lifestyle, and therefore gay marriage.

    The fact that these minority voters came out to vote for Obama, was voting for prop 8 as well. It's contradictory, yeah. But it seems to make sense to me.

    What do you guys think?
    Look back a few posts... I said the same thing.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Marriage is a religious institution. This Prop is a religious matter.

    California populace has supported the idea of domestic partnerships/civil unions for homosexual couples, which gives all the same rights with the marriage label. What they have voted against is not stripping the right but stripping the marriage label.

    Let me ask you. What motives would someone have other then religion to support civil unions but not marriage of homosexuals? Civil unions have all the same rights, just not the same label.

    Speaking of the "religious" aspect. I was not married in a church or by a priest, reverend, or minister. Yet funny enough, I am still considered married by the goverment and people and not just a civil union. Religion has nothing to do with marriage, it's just a scapegoat bigots use!

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Marriage is a religious institution. This Prop is a religious matter.
    So, you -cannot- show that the 70-30 black opposition to same-sex marriage is based on religion. Thanks.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    Speaking of the "religious" aspect. I was not married in a church or by a priest, reverend, or minister. Yet funny enough, I am still considered married by the goverment and people and not just a civil union. Religion has nothing to do with marriage, it's just a scapegoat bigots use!
    Religion has everything to do with marriage. Marriage has nothing to do with being legally recognized by the state as being a "spouse".

    My opinion is all couples should be seen only as "civil unions/domestic partnerships" legally by the state/country and the label of "marriage" is left to one's religion to decide. This would make the term marriage solely a religious label, as it should be, and have no relevance to our laws.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Look back a few posts... I said the same thing.
    The difference is that I do think it's because of religion.

    Latinos, who are 1st and 2nd generation, have parents or grandparents that have lingering cultural attitudes. Those attitudes tend to be conservative to their own culture (not to be confused with American Conservatism). This is a huge deal with Catholicism.

    African Americans also reject the gay lifestyle. Some of the gay black men cannot even accept it as "gay", they have to give it another name. Look up D-Low culture. The black church community is even more religious than white communities because it serves as a community base.

    The Asian, particularly the Chinese, are the most conservative out of these 3 minorities. We cling to our native culture for dear life. No church here, but the collective cultural and spiritual sentiments are majoritively against the gay lifestyle.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Here is an interactive California county map showing how the state voted by county:

    California propositions county-by-county map, margin of victory - Los Angeles Times

    Using the Filters menu (demographic) also shows interesting perspectives. Pretty much was supported by an overwhelming majority of the AREA of the state while the heavily populated urban coastal areas were near even or against it. In fact the main core of support came from outraged people, often Christians, in the inland areas, that provided an incredible grass roots effort despite the overwhelming media campaign against the measure.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Religion has everything to do with marriage. .


    I have to disagree with this. I am not religious and I do considered myself married and I do not need religion to validate it. I am not going to use the term civil union because I do not subscribe to a religion to enforce it.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, you -cannot- show that the 70-30 black opposition to same-sex marriage is based on religion. Thanks.
    The only way to provide such information would be to provide a poll, which I don't care to spend my time looking for as your question is pointless towards the topic.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    The only way to provide such information would be to provide a poll, which I don't care to spend my time looking for as your question is pointless towards the topic.
    And, admittedly absent that information, you made your claim anyway.
    Hmm.

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