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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    I'm disappointed in people who voted yes on 8. Everybody has their reasons. I believe those against Prop 8 still have every right to protest peacefully and spread the word to change people's minds about same sex marriage. I definitely don't condone the name calling and vandalism that occurred. It's only a matter of time before that slim and slipping majority vote turns to a minority.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its amazing how intolerant people on the left are and how they resort to the same old name calling with people that disagree with them.......
    It goes both ways. Neither side should get to the point of childish name calling or cowardly threats. Intelligent discourse would be a wonderful way to go but emotions cloud the issue and bring everything down multiple levels.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    What I said was 100% accurate, I need not try again. All JOBS available to men are not available to women in the military. Thus, their choices are restricted. Restricted choices is not better.
    All ratings or jobs are available certain billets (duty stations) are not for the reasons I mentioned......
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by giggster11 View Post
    It goes both ways. Neither side should get to the point of childish name calling or cowardly threats. Intelligent discourse would be a wonderful way to go but emotions cloud the issue and bring everything down multiple levels.
    I don't see our side calling anyone any names....In fact most of us are for civil unions with the same rights......Maybe you can enlighten me on the name calling my left wing friend?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its amazing how intolerant people on the left are and how they resort to the same old name calling with people that disagree with them.......
    I'm neither right nor left in many ways and I'd say that behaviour is just as common on all sides unfortunately. Many cannot partake in civil, decent and honest political debate in this world whether they are rightwing or leftwing.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I don't see our side calling anyone any names....In fact most of us are for civil unions with the same rights......Maybe you can enlighten me on the name calling my left wing friend?
    I've read about/seen/experienced all sorts of things:
    Gay couples having "Sodom and Gomorrah" shouted at them.
    F*g lover
    F*g
    People throwing stuff at No on 8 cars.
    People flipping me off for my No on 8 stickers.
    I was participating in my local newspaper's online coverage on election night and the vitriol that was spewed by Yes on 8 people was abhorrent. It went both ways though which is what I was trying to say.

    You can't tell me the Yes on 8 side was completely well behaved.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its amazing how intolerant people on the left are and how they resort to the same old name calling with people that disagree with them.......
    The supporters of yes on 8 made their idiotic bigoted homophobia quite apparent.
    An irrational fear of homosexuality - that is homophobia - utterly irrational.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Those whom voted in favor are homophobes. They think that gay marriage is going to somehow impede on their lives - how?
    There is no rational assessment that gay marriage would interfere or impede on the lives of anyone else except their own - precisely what they wish to do.
    The courts had already demonstrated that the whole thing was unconstitutional. And in revocation of their right, the homophobic community votes against gays.
    In particular that the black community voted in favor of this measure adds to the utter irony. It's almost as if, yeah we were treated unfairly and it was wrong, but it's fine to treat you with bigoted inequality of separate but equal - hypocrites.

    "Homophobe" is a junk insult word that is grossly and inaccurately used. However, I suppose moderators also allow calling other members here "homophobes", while calling a member a "sexist" is violating the rules. Overall, that grotesque variation is only an example of my objections to "gay rights."

    My view is rather simple to understand.

    Women have had the right to vote, right to own property and right to equal pay (legally but not actually in some states) for over 5 decades less than black men. Women are paid less then men. Men dominate every aspect of governmental and economic institutions.

    Women have been 100% excluded from the executive branch of government for 200+ years and as we again saw in this election if a woman does run the male dominated media and political leadership (this time the Democratic male leadership) engage in rabid sexist smears and personal attacks.

    Gay men are less than 1% of the male adult population. Women are 50+% percent. Gay men have never been denied the right to vote, never denied the right to own property and have incomes higher than the national average.

    Yet the media fixates, rages endless, for gay rights and it is the new "political correct agenda" of the left wing - the same left wing that smeared Hillary and absurdly and bitterly smeared and still smears Sarah.

    I'm not gay. While there are lesbian women, constitutional, representative and economic equality for all women including lesbian women is far greater an cause than constitutional protection of selective sexuality preference. Who most sneers and spouts the most foul insults of women's equality issues are so-called liberals and Democrats - who at the same time whine for "gay rights."

    It a sense it would be as if the gay rights movement declared they are not for equality for all gays, only blue eyed, blonde gays. Selective, trendy equality for a tiny niche group while ongoingly denying constitutional, institutional and social equality to over half our citizens is bizarre and sickening to me.

    I find this all intensely offensive, grossly out of balance and outright exactly wrong priorities.

    Why would I support some small fringe movement for equality on a narrow range issue of sexuality when overall general equality is denied over half the US population - of which I am one of?

    My response to the gay rights movement is simple: "NO! You can't cut in front of women's equality - go stand at the end of the line behind 160,000,000 women!"

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Bonnie1988 View Post
    My response to the gay rights movement is simple: "NO! You can't cut in front of women's equality - go stand at the end of the line behind 160,000,000 women!"[/B][/COLOR]
    LOL gay men are not the only ones trying to get married so are lesbians, you know the WOMEN you so call care about?

    Bonnie, get over your feminist nazi syndrome please. It gets tiring to hear you cry sexism in almost every thread you post in.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by giggster11 View Post
    I've read about/seen/experienced all sorts of things:
    Gay couples having "Sodom and Gomorrah" shouted at them.
    F*g lover
    F*g
    People throwing stuff at No on 8 cars.
    People flipping me off for my No on 8 stickers.
    I was participating in my local newspaper's online coverage on election night and the vitriol that was spewed by Yes on 8 people was abhorrent. It went both ways though which is what I was trying to say.

    You can't tell me the Yes on 8 side was completely well behaved.
    We are talking about in this forum in this thread......

    I am no homophone or bigot as are not the people that have a difference of opinion with you.......
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