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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    A Constitution is useless if fundamental rights are subject to the whim or tyranny of the majority.
    Please apply this statement to a 2/3 majority systen.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

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    Although I support it not passing, my gut tells me it will. And this makes me 'le panda of sadness', as the French say (yes, I can speak two languages. And speaking two languages means I am bisexual. Wait...that's what bisexual means, right?)
    what does that mean??

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    This election produced conflicting results.

    The Presidential Election showed how far we have come as a country.

    The passage of prop 8 showed that California, although we have come a long way, still has a ways to grow.

    What is strange to me is that the Constitution is supposed to protect the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority. Consistent with this, the Federal Constitution requires 2/3 ratification of a Constitutional Amendment. However, California only requires a simple majority, which is inconsistent with this ideal.

    Ironically, on the Los Angeles Ballot there was a tax measure to fund additional subway construction. Its passage required a 2/3 majority.
    Granting sexual orientation the same status as race is an absurd argument of extremists.

    The message here is that radical judges and mayors like Gavin Newsome who wanted to shove this issue down the throats of the voters shot themselves in the foot with this one.

    The California voters have made it painfully clear and now, as a Constitutional amendment, the issue will be settled. Thank the Gay radicals who, instead of working with those of us who felt strongly about this issue, attempted to shove it down our throats and now have gotten exactly what they deserved.

    Sexual orientation is NOTHING like race and has NOTHING to do with our Constitution.

    Expect the radicals to file lawsuit after lawsuit to prevent the will of the people from being heard and further polarize those of us who may have been in support gay issues.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Granting sexual orientation the same status as race is an absurd argument of extremists.

    The message here is that radical judges and mayors like Gavin Newsome who wanted to shove this issue down the throats of the voters shot themselves in the foot with this one.

    The California voters have made it painfully clear and now, as a Constitutional amendment, the issue will be settled. Thank the Gay radicals who, instead of working with those of us who felt strongly about this issue, attempted to shove it down our throats and now have gotten exactly what they deserved.

    Sexual orientation is NOTHING like race and has NOTHING to do with our Constitution.

    Expect the radicals to file lawsuit after lawsuit to prevent the will of the people from being heard and further polarize those of us who may have been in support gay issues.
    Eh.....it will be on the ballot again in a year or two and will eventually pass. Gavin Newsome is absolutely correct....gay marriage is going to happen whether you like it or not, its just a matter of time, just like every other instance of discrimination be it race or gender.
    California will pass gay marriage within a couple of years and the rest of the country will follow....slowly, but they will follow....its just a matter of time.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Granting sexual orientation the same status as race is an absurd argument of extremists.

    The message here is that radical judges and mayors like Gavin Newsome who wanted to shove this issue down the throats of the voters shot themselves in the foot with this one.

    The California voters have made it painfully clear and now, as a Constitutional amendment, the issue will be settled. Thank the Gay radicals who, instead of working with those of us who felt strongly about this issue, attempted to shove it down our throats and now have gotten exactly what they deserved.

    Sexual orientation is NOTHING like race and has NOTHING to do with our Constitution.

    Expect the radicals to file lawsuit after lawsuit to prevent the will of the people from being heard and further polarize those of us who may have been in support gay issues.
    I love it when people use the phrase "shove it down our throats" with anything regarding gay rights.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    A colleague of mine told me this morning that the increased voter turn out this year could have increased the chances of prop 8 passing. Her reasoning was that minority voters have skyrocketed in CA. The large majority of Latinos and African Americans (or at least the elder portion of them) do not approve of the gay lifestyle, and therefore gay marriage.

    The fact that these minority voters came out to vote for Obama, was voting for prop 8 as well. It's contradictory, yeah. But it seems to make sense to me.

    What do you guys think?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    I quite recall earlier this year how you gay advocates on this board after our California supreme court voted to go against the 2000 voting will people of the state and then our courts forcing our state workers to sanction gay marriages often against their will, that you were certain it was a done deal and all over.



    Well some of us noted an initiative drive was certain and so that began. And after it qualified, you gay advocates were again so certain even if it did get on the ballot that the tide of public opinion had changed so there was little chance the judicial decision would be overturned, especially since it required a constitutional ammendment. All you did was angrily continue to name call, playing your hollow shame game that had always been the favorite ploy. Then the bogus Field Poll came out this summer showing a huge 17% point advantage by the No's. In the mean time virtually all the local tv and print media, Hollywood celebrites, and politicians kept celebrating how the initiative was doomed and that the rest of us ought stop discriminating blah blah blah...shame ploy.

    Then in the end of September our pro 8 ads began and just one week later a huge change began to occur. After another week a few minor polls showed Prop 8 actually ahead. But the much more authoritative Field Poll again showed the No's ahead in contradiction though the gap had mysteriously narrowed to 6% points. And that continued to be the level in the last poll just before the election. Well guess what? The Field Poll was bogus from the get go. Stupid data in, bogus results out.

    I would like to thank all the impatient gay advocates who couldn't wait forcing this on the rest of us and now have sealed their own fate. Premature lack of execution. And especially Gavin Newsom, whether he likes it or not!

    PS. Way to go Arizona, Florida, and Arkansas!
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Eh.....it will be on the ballot again in a year or two and will eventually pass.
    This is what pisses me off! It just makes us Californians seem so fickle.

    Like Gray Davis. We didn't like how he was running things, we recalled him. Arnold is doing the same ****, and it looks like we're gonna recall his ass too.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The California voters have made it painfully clear and now, as a Constitutional amendment, the issue will be settled. Thank the Gay radicals who, instead of working with those of us who felt strongly about this issue, attempted to shove it down our throats and now have gotten exactly what they deserved.
    I wouldn't call a difference of 300k votes from a state of 36 million "painfully clear". What is "painfully clear" is that the support and non-support is split.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Expect the radicals to file lawsuit after lawsuit to prevent the will of the people from being heard and further polarize those of us who may have been in support gay issues.
    No doubt. I believe there are already calls of lawsuits by the first few married couples wanting to be seen as equal citizens. In any case it will also be on the ballot next time and will eventually be passed.

    Also expect the radicals on the right to file lawsuit after lawsuit for the failure of Prop 4.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    "Marriage is between a man and a woman," said 67-year-old Marie Barbagelata from Linden, a farming town about 100 miles inland from San Francisco. She voted in favor of Proposition 8, but added she's not opposed to same-sex civil unions.


    GRRRRR... this is what upsets me the most about the anti-gay marriage side. Like it's okay for them to grant gays a lower status of "civil union" but add the word marriage to it and it's suddenly hell on earth. WTF is wrong with allowing two people in love to get married? Why should this 67 year old woman be included to be able to decide the rights of others? The banning of gay marriage is a disgrace and I am ashamed my state has an amendment doing so.

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