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Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

Alright, but did the barstool give consent? NO

Neither did it express a lack of consent. It's inanimate, it has no rights. It can be treated however a person what's to treat it.
However the citizen should be provided equal rights under the law correct?
 
Instead of fighting for everyone's freedom from government interference they are fighting for the government to step in and take away their freedom. They are in essence selling out to big government the same as straight couples have. For a few dollars in tax breaks and automatic legalities we let the government step into our private lives. IMO heaping more bad government onto the problem will not solve it.

That's because the government is going to be the only thing to help them.

Noone is going to vote for getting the government out of marriage. This much is true. Hell, gay marriage has been on the ballot, how many times has "get the government out of marriage" on the ballot have YOU seen?

Hence the system of government is going to be their only hope since married couples won't get the government out of marriage.
 
Neither did it express a lack of consent. It's inanimate, it has no rights. It can be treated however a person what's to treat it.
However the citizen should be provided equal rights under the law correct?

Marriage is between Consenting adults. How can an inanimate object give consent?

Did you miss the CONSENTING part? If you cannot give consent, you cannot get married.

Hence why a 40 year old man cannot marry a 4 month old infant, even though you may like to see that since you bring up barstools.
 
That's because the government is going to be the only thing to help them.

Noone is going to vote for getting the government out of marriage. This much is true. Hell, gay marriage has been on the ballot, how many times has "get the government out of marriage" on the ballot have YOU seen?

Hence the system of government is going to be their only hope since married couples won't get the government out of marriage.

It's not on the ballot because people don't want to give up their benefits and same sex couples know that they might get straight couples to support them being married also but they know there is no way in hell they would persuade them to give up their benefits.
This situation doesn't change the fact that it's bad government and should be changed.
 
Marriage is between Consenting adults. How can an inanimate object give consent?

Did you miss the CONSENTING part? If you cannot give consent, you cannot get married.

Hence why a 40 year old man cannot marry a 4 month old infant, even though you may like to see that since you bring up barstools.

Resorting to name calling?
Must be getting desperate.
A bar stool is consenting as much as it can.
Who says marriage is between consenting adults?
 
This situation doesn't change the fact that it's bad government and should be changed.

I agree, but since we are a nation that makes by the people or the courst, who do you think we help gays? The people or the courts.

Hence why I said before, the government is the way.
 
How about we go to the opposite end of the spectrum, are you ok with a man and woman getting married by some guy on the street?

And if not, how is that different than the justice of the peace?

No ****. *I* can officiate marriages. It really doesn't take much more than a damn signature and fee.
 
Resorting to name calling?
Must be getting desperate.
A bar stool is consenting as much as it can.
Who says marriage is between consenting adults?

A bar stool cannot give or take away consent. Therefore it cannot consent. IF you don't understand that I can't help you.
 
Marriage is between Consenting adults.

Not exclusively. You can have sex with anyone who consents (barring underage since they are considered unable to consent intelligently), but that does not mean you cannot have sex with a dildo, or stool for that matter, even though it can't consent.

The word consent is used to distinguish the idea of doing something to someone against their will. Consent-rule doesn't apply with inanimate objects in really any law.

How can an inanimate object give consent?

It doesn't matter.
 
I agree, but since we are a nation that makes by the people or the courst, who do you think we help gays? The people or the courts.

Hence why I said before, the government is the way.

By my opinion, gays don't need help. It's not illegal for them to marry. That is to say they can find whatever competent authority they deem and become married. Live as married, claim they are married and go in public as married and not be arrested. (unlike the racial laws of the past where a person could be jailed just for being married) Any legalities of the union can be handled in an attorney's office in a couple of hours. I don't know about others but I don't need a governmental authority to put it's blessing on my marriage to make it valid. It's a matter between me, my partner and our God. If same sex couples would admit the reality that government should step out of all marriages instead of into theirs, we could get this situation back on the right path.
 
A bar stool cannot give or take away consent. Therefore it cannot consent. IF you don't understand that I can't help you.

So would sex with a dildo be rape, since it can't consent?
You miss the point, or are intentionally dodging it.
You have decided that the CITIZEN can't marry the bar stool because it can't consent. That is YOUR judgment. Your decision. You would take away that person's right to freely do what he wants and receive the same benefits as any other married person.
That is the same as the majority have done in CA.
That is the reason government involvement in marriage needed to be abolished and not expanded.
 
He expected you to support your claims, and laughed at you when you said 'Oh yeah? Well disprove me then!!!"

Good for him!

You cannot support your claim and you know it.


:rofl you will learn that when the leftest here cannot support their arguments and attempt to shift the subject or just make specious arguments and you call them on it they engage in the childish "shuffle" game. Got to where they would not even try to discuss an issue, just try to shut it down with this nonsense. That's why I no longer participate here and rather found a forum where there is adult discourse. I check in every once and a while and to my amusment I am stil the stuff of legend or rather myth.
 
:rofl you will learn that when the leftest here cannot support their arguments and attempt to shift the subject or just make specious arguments and you call them on it they engage in the childish "shuffle" game. Got to where they would not even try to discuss an issue, just try to shut it down with this nonsense. That's why I no longer participate here and rather found a forum where there is adult discourse. I check in every once and a while and to my amusment I am stil the stuff of legend or rather myth.

May you live in infamy then, "stuff of legend." :rofl
 
:rofl you will learn that when the leftest here cannot support their arguments and attempt to shift the subject or just make specious arguments and you call them on it they engage in the childish "shuffle" game. Got to where they would not even try to discuss an issue, just try to shut it down with this nonsense. That's why I no longer participate here and rather found a forum where there is adult discourse. I check in every once and a while and to my amusment I am stil the stuff of legend or rather myth.

Send my condolences to that forum.
 
Martyrdom is so tired.

If you're going to go, then just go. We don't care. kthx.
 
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