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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    Its not a problem for Christians but rather a problem for you gay advocates that they believe so. They have no need to seek anything as they are content with their views. As I related above, none of your arguments ever seriously dents most of the Christian community because it is flawed.

    I am confident even as a relative Christian Bible amateur, I could easily take apart any argument on the matter you might put forward but within this web forum much less this thread, it is not the place for serious structured debate and will otherwise just end up a pizzing contest. Thus this is not a challenge to do so. There is a vast amount of serious argumentation on the matter already available on the web anyone can readily search into. You obviously don't want to believe such logic presented and would rather just read those within your own cause who twist the matter to suit your own goals that you seem to parrot. In the mean time you put forth amateur arguments that reflect your own lack of knowledge of the matter. Otherwise you might already understand the real points scholars have on the controversy and simply have a hidden agenda of dragging a few relatively ignorant of the Bible Christians in with some simplistic statements.
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    So you admit that you and your ilk twist the words of the bible to suit your agenda.
    Just ask this question of yourself, what would Jesus do?
    I sense the challenge to a true debate

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    I sense the challenge to a true debate
    Nah, too many rules, and I ain't so good at rules....
    But if he wanted to debate grace vs. works, I can nail that one immediately. Got a long list of scriptures in a data base with each one identified as either pro grace only, or works only, and WHO is being quoted. Christ is in favor of works along with grace, Paul is all over the map but with very few times being quoted in a way that leads one to think that grace alone is the way....
    Long story short, it takes both, but how many churches teach that?
    It is my view that many christian churches have reduced the words of Christ to some status well below those of Paul.....so they should be calling themselves Paulists...
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I am going to say this again........Its not about gay marriage......Its about acceptance of the gay lifestyle as and acceptable alternate.......Its about teaching children that the sex acts gays engage in are OK and most people in this country believe that the sex acts they engage in are perversion and before you say it if straight people engage in those acts its perversion to.........
    Do you consider oral sex between heterosexuals perversion?

    What about kissing?

    Holding hands?

    Loving one another?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Do you consider oral sex between heterosexuals perversion?

    What about kissing?

    Holding hands?

    Loving one another?
    Don't forget sex without a bedsheet with a hole in it - and sex for the sole purpose of procreation, not enjoyment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monk-Eye View Post
    "Dazed And Confused"
    Verily, I am trying to figure out how you could draw the moronic conclusion (without yourself actually being a moron), as indicated directly above, that I stated only citizens are entitled to equal protection, based on my assertion (of the strictest interpretation) that non-citizens, which are illegally present, are not under US jurisdiction and therefore not entitled to equal protection.
    I specifically asked, "Can I legally kill an ILLEGAL immigrant?" To most people, the term ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT indicates that I'm speaking of those ILLEGALLY PRESENT on U.S. territory. And you said that they could, in fact, be killed - legally. If you continue down this path, I will be forced to link the post in which you said this. You were proven wrong, of course, by a Supreme Court decision and, more importantly, a statement from the author of the Fourteenth Amendment. Verily, you have no clue what you are talking about.

    Opinions which you do not agree with are judicial activism, and opinions you agree with are constitutional, that is classic idiocy.
    Not true. I disagree with tons of Supreme Court decisions, but the only one I consider to be judicial activism is Roe v. Wade. The rest I just disagree with but I can understand where the majority opinion arises from.

    You are running away again like a coward.
    Um, sure.

    You quoted the unalienable (endowed by creator) words of the preamble as the source of "natural rights" (conventional definition is faulty) which you promptly extended to anything you deemed a person.
    Yes, genius, because it's clear to most people that laws against murder, involuntary servitude, etc. come from these rights you say do not exist. They have been legislated, which means they are laws. Which means that the Equal Protection clause guarantees these laws protect all people, not just citizens.

    My proposition stipulated that the laws of the institution are based on positive law, not "natural law" (conventional definition is faulty), wherefore the laws are drafted in the initial contexts for citizens at the exclusion of all else.
    And these laws come from? Yay! Natural Law!

    Moreover, I expounded that equal protection cannot abate, and must be compliant with, the requirements incumbent upon a citizen to receive rights, most notably, the specific requirement of birth. (off topic)
    Which is false. Why don't you tell the members of this thread why you were unable to prove what you say. "My logic has not found its way into mainstream consideration." P-A-T-H-E-T-I-C

    Permit this preamble comic assay - (all MEN - literally unincluding females?)
    Does this trump your first rung of stupidity cited in this post?
    Why don't you just admit that you have no clue what you're talking about and that your legal reasoning is comparable to that of a smurf's?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    It is my view that many christian churches have reduced the words of Christ to some status well below those of Paul.....so they should be calling themselves Paulists...
    The only version of Christianity that survived was Paul's. The Jerusalem church ended when the city did. Sad, really... Jesus' stuff is sooooo much better than Paul's.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    ludahai,

    Your thread is about a very good topic, but next time please use the proper language, the title of this thread should use a better expressive language like, Ban on gay marriage in CA still foggy...

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Why don't Christian follow this order from the bible?

    If a woman has a discharge, and the discharge from her body is blood, she shall be set apart seven days; and whoever touches her shall be unclean until evening. Everything that she lies on during her impurity shall be unclean; also everything that she sits on shall be unclean. Whoever touches her bed shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. And whoever touches anything that she sat on shall wash his clothes and bathe in water, and be unclean until evening. If anything is on her bed or on anything on which she sits, when he touches it, he shall be unclean until evening. And if any man lies with her at all, so that her impurity is on him, he shall be unclean seven days; and every bed on which he lies shall be unclean. (Leviticus 15:19-24)
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by veganshawn View Post
    Why don't Christian follow this order from the bible?
    This passage has to do with having sexual relations with a woman while on her period. Coming in contact with the blood flow is what God forbids.

    Why did you bother posting it? To bash Christians?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Macintosh View Post
    This passage has to do with having sexual relations with a woman while on her period. Coming in contact with the blood flow is what God forbids.

    Why did you bother posting it? To bash Christians?
    Nope to show the hypocrisy of picking and choosing passages from the bible to follow while ignoring others because they are "outdated".
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