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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It didn't pass by a large margin. The vote was actually quite close.

    Personally, I would prefer none of the money come from out of state. But when you look at the percentages, the vast majority of the pro prop 8 came from out of state. Very little money came from out of state for the anti- prop 8 campaign.
    What's really interesting is where the majority of the Money came from - Utah.
    Doesn't the Mormon community have their own state to theocratize?

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    What's really interesting is where the majority of the Money came from - Utah.
    Doesn't the Mormon community have their own state to theocratize?
    The funny thing is that a few years back there was a similar measure on the Utah ballot but instead of saying "marriage is between one man and one woman"....it said "marriage is between a man and a woman"......can you read between the lines.....
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    What's really interesting is where the majority of the Money came from - Utah.
    Doesn't the Mormon community have their own state to theocratize?
    They have already done that... it is time to branch out.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

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    There is no other reason other than that of religious faith that would be against gay marriage, ...
    I have to disagree with this, and I am sure that there are others who do also.

    I for one am not religious and it is my firmly held belief that marriage is a union between one man, and one woman. Not one person, and another.

    Historically, it has always been between a man, and a woman, starting with it being a contract of property and then as mankind (in general) moved away from that concept, into it being about love.
    Yet still, a union between one man, and one woman.

    As far as I am concerned, everybody already has the same 'Right', the 'Right' to marry someone of the opposite gender (with limitations).
    Anyone asking for same gender couples to be able to marry is asking for the creation of a new 'right'.

    I also see this as an issue of disrespect on the part of those desiring such unions to try and call it a marriage.
    i.e.: They want to be respected, but are showing disrespect by trying to usurp the term marriage for their own benefit.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The funny thing is that a few years back there was a similar measure on the Utah ballot but instead of saying "marriage is between one man and one woman"....it said "marriage is between a man and a woman"......can you read between the lines.....
    Can we say hypocrites??

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
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    There is no other reason other than that of religious faith that would be against gay marriage, ...
    I have to disagree with this, and I am sure that there are others who do also.

    I for one am not religious and it is my firmly held belief that marriage is a union between one man, and one woman. Not one person, and another.

    Historically, it has always been between a man, and a woman, starting with it being a contract of property and then as mankind (in general) moved away from that concept, into it being about love.
    Yet still, a union between one man, and one woman.
    It is still a contract of property before the state, nothing more nothing less. And as it is a contract like every other contract before the state, there is no matter of ones race, sex or creed.
    Historically, only the literate can enter into a contract before the state, then it was those who were of a certain sex and then race and not another; then it was changed to include everyone - with the exception of this property contract before the state for homosexuals.
    Rate it as you will, it's still a contract before the state and thus there is no reason why gays should not be allowed.
    But as you pointed out, it's a belief of yours - it was at one point also a belief that Africans were sub human - so what legitimacy does your belief have over my belief or that of anyone elses? Once the state made marriage a state issue, then like contracts of everything else there can be no limitations whatsoever of someone's sexuality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy
    As far as I am concerned, everybody already has the same 'Right', the 'Right' to marry someone of the opposite gender (with limitations).
    So there you go, forcing your sexuality onto someone else. This is quite despicable.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy
    Anyone asking for same gender couples to be able to marry is asking for the creation of a new 'right'.
    No, not the creation of some new right, you have the right to choose anyone according to your sexuality because you are straight, but should you be gay you have said right taken away from you.
    Homosexuals are simply asking for the equality of the same right to property and recognition under the state as heterosexuals already enjoy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy
    I also see this as an issue of disrespect on the part of those desiring such unions to try and call it a marriage.
    i.e.: They want to be respected, but are showing disrespect by trying to usurp the term marriage for their own benefit.
    So if your neighbor were gay and they married that's disrespectful to you and your marriage? WTF??

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Can we say hypocrites??
    Mormonism and hypocrisy go hand in hand.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    What's really interesting is where the majority of the Money came from - Utah.
    Doesn't the Mormon community have their own state to theocratize?
    No theocracy here, but the influence is certainly felt. There are no bars, just a few private clubs. Beer is in the stores, hard stuff is at the state liquor store.
    BTW, the LDS in California number about 2%, not exactly a majority....I suspect that Catholics and mainstream protestants voted against gay marriage as well, or could I be all wrong about that?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by jfuh View Post
    Can we say hypocrites??
    more like stupid, IF what you infer is true. What happened way back then is unlikely now, at least not in large numbers. First, the ratio of men to women won't support it, and modern women are not likely to share the man's wealth and assets with a sister-wife...
    I have met only one mormon man who thinks the idea is good, and I am pretty sure that if his wife knew how he felt, she would cut him in the most unkind way....
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Mormonism and hypocrisy go hand in hand.
    blanket statement, unfounded, no support for such an ignorant comment...
    I have lived as a baptist and a mormon, and have had friends who claim to be christians of many faiths. We have hypocrites, yes, but in my experience, far fewer than most protestant faiths. As for catholics, you can sin all you want, and be forgiven, as long as you go to confession, right? I doubt that a priest will agree with that, but I have known more than a few catholics who whore around one day, confess the next, and repeat the cycle again and again....
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