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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    This is all such an overblown problem. It's way out of proportion to the real situation.

    If two men or women in CA (or many other states) want to be in a committed relationship, with all the rights of marriage, they CAN. They can even walk around calling themselves married, say they have a husband or wife, etc.

    Who cares what it is called in legal terms? They have all the rights of marriage. Call it "Garriage." Call it whatever you like.

    But it's just a stupid game of trying to be RIGHT about something inferred as WRONG by a lot of other people.

    I feel sorry for all the emotionally distraught liberals and gays out there who are sweating over this POINTLESS issue. It has been a MANUFACTURED upset. People have riled you up for no good reason. LET IT BE.

    It's not an issue for the government to get involved with.
    Civil unions give them the rights marriage affords.

    Get on with your lives.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by conquer View Post
    You are incorrect. You can love your dog if you want to, and in your house you can even have sex with him, but you can't make the rest to recognize you both -you and your dog*- officially married.

    The same applies to homosexuals and lesbians trying to marry members of their same sex. They can "love" between themselves any way they want, but to try to be accepted legally by the rest...that is different.

    (*Amanzingly the god of the bible calls "dogs" to homosexuals in the first covenant of the bible, and the same title also appears in the last chapter of the book of Revelation, Outside are the dogs, and the sorcerers, and the fornicators, and the muderers, and the idolaters, and everyone that loves and makes a lie. Rev.22:15)
    Dude. We're talking about relationships between humans. In our HUMAN society, not allowing other animals to marry is not discrimination. Plus, you have the whole informed consent thing. So ummm.... no. Comparing homosexuals to dogs just isn't going to work.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    This is all such an overblown problem. It's way out of proportion to the real situation.

    If two men or women in CA (or many other states) want to be in a committed relationship, with all the rights of marriage, they CAN. They can even walk around calling themselves married, say they have a husband or wife, etc.

    Who cares what it is called in legal terms? They have all the rights of marriage. Call it "Garriage." Call it whatever you like.

    But it's just a stupid game of trying to be RIGHT about something inferred as WRONG by a lot of other people.

    I feel sorry for all the emotionally distraught liberals and gays out there who are sweating over this POINTLESS issue. It has been a MANUFACTURED upset. People have riled you up for no good reason. LET IT BE.

    It's not an issue for the government to get involved with.
    Civil unions give them the rights marriage affords.

    Get on with your lives.
    Thats the same thing they said to Blacks on the back of the bus.....hell....we allow you to ride don't we.......get over it.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Thats the same thing they said to Blacks on the back of the bus.....hell....we allow you to ride don't we.......get over it.
    Not an identical comparison by any stretch of the imagination.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    This is all such an overblown problem. It's way out of proportion to the real situation.

    If two men or women in CA (or many other states) want to be in a committed relationship, with all the rights of marriage, they CAN. They can even walk around calling themselves married, say they have a husband or wife, etc.

    Who cares what it is called in legal terms? They have all the rights of marriage. Call it "Garriage." Call it whatever you like.

    But it's just a stupid game of trying to be RIGHT about something inferred as WRONG by a lot of other people.

    I feel sorry for all the emotionally distraught liberals and gays out there who are sweating over this POINTLESS issue. It has been a MANUFACTURED upset. People have riled you up for no good reason. LET IT BE.

    It's not an issue for the government to get involved with.
    Civil unions give them the rights marriage affords.

    Get on with your lives.
    Totally. I mean, when we had segregated schools it wasn't like the blacks weren't getting an education or anything. So I really don't see what the big deal was. And I mean, they could RIDE the buses, no one was stopping them. They just had to sit in the back. WTF is the big deal? It was just a MANUFACTURED upset. People got them all riled up for no good reason. It wasn't an issue for the government to get involved with.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Totally. I mean, when we had segregated schools it wasn't like the blacks weren't getting an education or anything. So I really don't see what the big deal was. And I mean, they could RIDE the buses, no one was stopping them. They just had to sit in the back. WTF is the big deal? It was just a MANUFACTURED upset. People got them all riled up for no good reason. It wasn't an issue for the government to get involved with.
    You and Disney Dude use the same manual to debate this issue.

    Apples and Oranges.

    Bottom line: Being gay is perceived as not normal, and I tend to agree it isn't.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    You and Disney Dude use the same manual to debate this issue.

    Apples and Oranges.

    Bottom line: Being gay is perceived as not normal, and I tend to agree it isn't.
    People used to have the same belief about Blacks and other minorities (unfortunately, there are some who still do).

    Its not apples and oranges......its only that to those who don't want to recognize that treating other people as inferior is simply wrong.

    How we can live in a country that espouses the belief that "all men are created equal" and "liberty and justice for all"....and still have people who believe that discrimination is somehow ok....is beyond me.

    No......we're talking apples and apples. Just because you want to call one an orange to justify your bigotry doesn't make it so.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    People used to have the same belief about Blacks and other minorities (unfortunately, there are some who still do).

    Its not apples and oranges......its only that to those who don't want to recognize that treating other people as inferior is simply wrong.

    How we can live in a country that espouses the belief that "all men are created equal" and "liberty and justice for all"....and still have people who believe that discrimination is somehow ok....is beyond me.

    No......we're talking apples and apples. Just because you want to call one an orange to justify your bigotry doesn't make it so.
    What about adult males who enjoy the company of 17 year olds? They both may consent, but it is illegal. Do we then change the laws because we shouldn't consider this as not normal?

    The consensus of society is that this isn't normal or optimum. They don't want it in their schools, they don't want it to have the same sanctity as normal marriage. That's democracy. Now if civil rights were being violated, okay. But they are not. It's a positive rights issue that is not something that has to be universal.

    California and other states have already done a great deal to give them equal rights. It's really just a never-ending campaign to have homosexuality thrown in our faces at every opportunity as normal, cool, and desirable.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by rivrrat View Post
    Dude. We're talking about relationships between humans. In our HUMAN society, not allowing other animals to marry is not discrimination. Plus, you have the whole informed consent thing. So ummm.... no. Comparing homosexuals to dogs just isn't going to work.
    Religion has been part of the whole societies of the world since ancient times. The voice of the gods of the cultures still having influence in the people.

    The god of the bible called them "dogs", and such nomination to homosexuals is observed in both covenants (or testaments). It appears that in the Judeo-Christian religion, homosexuals -regardless of how "nice" they are- won't be part of the new era promissed in the bible for humanity and planet earth.

    I was just using the same analogy to show what the bible says about homosexuals, and for this Judeo-Christian god, homosexuality is an abomination.

    About the consenting thing, can a 60 years old woman get married with her 40 years old son? Look, they are "consenting" to get marry, is the law to allow this union?

    Hell don't know.

    Well, I think that should be worst to accept the legal union between members of the same sex, unless one of the men gets pregnant and his honor must be vindicated...

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by MC.no.spin View Post
    What about adult males who enjoy the company of 17 year olds? They both may consent, but it is illegal. Do we then change the laws because we shouldn't consider this as not normal?

    The consensus of society is that this isn't normal or optimum. They don't want it in their schools, they don't want it to have the same sanctity as normal marriage. That's democracy. Now if civil rights were being violated, okay. But they are not. It's a positive rights issue that is not something that has to be universal.

    California and other states have already done a great deal to give them equal rights. It's really just a never-ending campaign to have homosexuality thrown in our faces at every opportunity as normal, cool, and desirable.
    Like I said, the same arguments have been raised about Blacks. Gay Discrimination is simply the racism of this century....and just like Blacks, Women and other minorities, America will eventually grow up and recognize that this discrimination is wrong as well. Its just a matter of time.
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