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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    This election produced conflicting results.

    The Presidential Election showed how far we have come as a country.

    The passage of prop 8 showed that California, although we have come a long way, still has a ways to grow.

    What is strange to me is that the Constitution is supposed to protect the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority. Consistent with this, the Federal Constitution requires 2/3 ratification of a Constitutional Amendment. However, California only requires a simple majority, which is inconsistent with this ideal.

    Ironically, on the Los Angeles Ballot there was a tax measure to fund additional subway construction. Its passage required a 2/3 majority.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    What is strange to me is that the Constitution is supposed to protect the rights of the minority against the tyranny of the majority. Consistent with this, the Federal Constitution requires 2/3 ratification of a Constitutional Amendment. However, California only requires a simple majority, which is inconsistent with this ideal.
    That's the wonderful thing about States' Rights -- States can do what they want in terms how they can change their Constitutions.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    That's the wonderful thing about States' Rights -- States can do what they want in terms how they can change their Constitutions.
    It seems strange to me, however, that a simple majority can pass a Constitutional Amendment. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a Constitution, doesn't it?
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    well on the state level that's all that is needed. Yeah, I think in general it should take more. It's too bad bigotry and ignorance seems to be winning out in CA; but it's not too surprising.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    So, you think that minorities - especially blacks -think we should live under a theocracy. Interesting.
    It's apparent they are an outspoken group that wishes their religious views to dictate our state laws, so yeah I do. They aren't alone though. many Christians believe this as well.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It seems strange to me, however, that a simple majority can pass a Constitutional Amendment.
    I suggest you then propose an amendment that changes it.
    Ohio is the same way, BTW, as are several other states.

    It kind of defeats the purpose of having a Constitution, doesn't it?
    No.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    It's apparent they are an outspoken group that wishes their religious views to dictate our state laws, so yeah I do.
    Wow.
    Can you -show- that the 70-30 black opposition to same-sex marriage is based on religion, or do you simply assume that if you're against same-sex marriage, it is because of religion?

    If it is 'apparent', then I suggest you -can- show that the 70-30 black opposition to same-sex marriage is based on religion.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    well on the state level that's all that is needed. Yeah, I think in general it should take more. It's too bad bigotry and ignorance seems to be winning out in CA; but it's not too surprising.
    I actually enjoy the fact that one of the most liberal states in the country is passing this amendment. Not because I want gays to be discriminated against, but so I can shove it in the faces of those who talk about how progressive and totally awesomes California is.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It seems strange to me, however, that a simple majority can pass a Constitutional Amendment. It kind of defeats the purpose of having a Constitution, doesn't it?
    I think most state constitutions are this way, but I may be wrong.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    No on Prop 8 was a hoped for victory was an expected defeat. It will be a Prop yet again and will eventually pass.

    The amount of supporters of No have increased greatly over the years and will be the majority as new generations become able to vote.
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