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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    What striking irony; your statements smack of Nazi attitudes. But that is the OBVIOUS hypocrisy we are growing used to when debating Liberals.
    Some of the first victims of the Nazi's where gays, that is where the pink triangle comes from. The only hypocrisy is that the same right wing people who want the government out of their lives have no problem with adding it to the lives of fellow citizens who are gay.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Wait a second here if gay were legal what is forced on you?
    Your narcissism aside, for many, homosexuality is not an accepted lifestyle. The schools will teach it as being "normal" against the wishes of parents, which it isn't, and law suits will arise for people who feel it goes against their religious beliefs and refuse to marry same sex couples.

    I would ask the same question of the gay community; what is harming them by keeping marriage between a man and a woman as it has been for 2000 years?

    This isn't about equality; this is about a tiny minority forcing their views on the majority to re-define what marriage means after 2000 years. How is life created; a test tube? No, it is the union of a man and a woman. Why is that so impossible to accept? What is FAIR about forcing a vast majority of people to re-define something that is sacred to them?

    I am sure you believe in the theories that if it feels good, just do it. I have yet to see and undisciplined and immoral societies achieve any greatness. Now if you are for breaking our society down to the lowest common denominator, don't expect me, or others who support your minority views.

    A much better solution is taking the “concept” of marriage and marriage certificates OUT of the Government and replacing it with a legal certificate of union; a contract between two individuals. Leave marriage for the churches. Much like Europe, marriage is a specifically religious process. You get a “license” from the State.

    Makes BOTH sides happier and no longer requires the “State” to issue “marriage” certificates.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by veganshawn View Post
    Some of the first victims of the Nazi's where gays, that is where the pink triangle comes from. The only hypocrisy is that the same right wing people who want the government out of their lives have no problem with adding it to the lives of fellow citizens who are gay.
    Your dramatic hysterical arguments aside; equating the defining of marriage as being in the same category as the beating and murders conducted by Nazi's against gays just illustrates the absurdity of your arguments.

    Spare us more of your nonsense; you embarrass yourself with every post.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    A much better solution is taking the “concept” of marriage and marriage certificates OUT of the Government and replacing it with a legal certificate of union; a contract between two individuals. Leave marriage for the churches. Much like Europe, marriage is a specifically religious process. You get a “license” from the State.
    This is the real, full solution. But good luck getting government to give up power over something it already has usurped.
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by veganshawn View Post
    Some of the first victims of the Nazi's where gays, that is where the pink triangle comes from. The only hypocrisy is that the same right wing people who want the government out of their lives have no problem with adding it to the lives of fellow citizens who are gay.
    Californoa's Blacks, Lationos and Asians -- the people that carried this vote -- are right-wing?

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The hatred we are seeing is coming from the dramatic hysterics of Liberals like you. You hate anyone who doesn't conform to your absurd views and demagogue and spew your venom empty of any logic, tolerance or coherent thoughts.
    I could flip this around on you if I took out liberal and added right wing or religious bias it would be the same, unlike you I don't want to discriminate or hate some because of the way there where born or the type of political view they have. I feel sorry for people who are so full of hate that they willing support views that belittle other people who don't conform to their views and religion!
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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The hatred we are seeing is coming from the dramatic hysterics of Liberals like you. You hate anyone who doesn't conform to your absurd views and demagogue and spew your venom empty of any logic, tolerance or coherent thoughts.
    Yes. Like Disneydude, they cannot conceive of any reason for opposing gay marriage -- indeed, any discrimination at all - other than hate and fear.

    Of course, they cannot actually SHOW that people discriminate in general and oppose gay marriage in specific out of hate and fear, but...
    Last edited by Goobieman; 11-06-08 at 01:43 PM.

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Your narcissism aside, for many, homosexuality is not an accepted lifestyle. The schools will teach it as being "normal" against the wishes of parents, which it isn't, and law suits will arise for people who feel it goes against their religious beliefs and refuse to marry same sex couples.
    Why would it not be an accepted lifestyle? It's not like they are being forced to engage in it. It's really none of their business what other consenting adults wish to do. There are plenty of people who feel it goes against their religious beliefs and that's fine. If gay marriage were made legal, then no church should be forced to perform a gay marriage. People fail to realize, however, that their religion isn't the only one and that the opinions of other religions are just as valid as theirs. Not every religion is anti-gay.

    I would ask the same question of the gay community; what is harming them by keeping marriage between a man and a woman as it has been for 2000 years?
    They are being discriminated against. There is no logical reason to deny them the same rights just because they have a different sexual orientation.

    This isn't about equality; this is about a tiny minority forcing their views on the majority to re-define what marriage means after 2000 years. How is life created; a test tube? No, it is the union of a man and a woman. Why is that so impossible to accept? What is FAIR about forcing a vast majority of people to re-define something that is sacred to them?
    A tiny minority? Did you see the polling numbers for Prop 8? It was very close. There are a significant amount of people who have no problem with gay marriage. Why would allowing gay marriage force people to re-define anything? It has absolutely no affect on their marriages.

    I am sure you believe in the theories that if it feels good, just do it. I have yet to see and undisciplined and immoral societies achieve any greatness. Now if you are for breaking our society down to the lowest common denominator, don't expect me, or others who support your minority views.
    It has nothing to do with it "feeling good". Some people are attracted to people of the same sex. It's a fact of life. Just as sure as you are of being attracted to the opposite sex, they are sure of being attracted to the same sex. If a lot of people disagreed with you being attracted to the opposite sex would you just give in to their views just because they feel it's wrong?

    A much better solution is taking the “concept” of marriage and marriage certificates OUT of the Government and replacing it with a legal certificate of union; a contract between two individuals. Leave marriage for the churches. Much like Europe, marriage is a specifically religious process. You get a “license” from the State.

    Makes BOTH sides happier and no longer requires the “State” to issue “marriage” certificates.
    The problem is that Christians and churches didn't invent marriage. There are churches who would have no problems with performing a gay marriage. Should their views be dismissed just because some churches don't agree with it?

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Yes. Like Disneydude, they cannot conceive of any reason for opposing gay marriage -- indeed, any discrimination at all - other than hate and fear.

    Of course, they cannot actually SHOW that people discriminate in general and oppose gay marriage in specific out of hate and fear, but...
    How is denying marriage to people just because of their sexual orientation not discrimination?

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    Re: Ban on gay marriage in CA still unclear

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Your dramatic hysterical arguments aside; equating the defining of marriage as being in the same category as the beating and murders conducted by Nazi's against gays just illustrates the absurdity of your arguments.

    Spare us more of your nonsense; you embarrass yourself with every post.
    You embarrass yourself with your petty name calling. What lead to the murder and beatings of gays? The same intolerance that people like you are fostering by saying gays are not normal and don't deserve equal treatment under the law.

    The nazi's where the extreme of right wing hate carried out, there are plenty of people with the extreme view that gays should be "cured" or worse yet murdered in this country, and by banning gay marriage and teaching of inculision it is emboldening these horrible views.
    You're not to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. -Malcolm X

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