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Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

Dawud said:
That would be Indonesia.

Actually, Catholic Doctrine states that Protestants are not real Christians and their final destination won't be Heaven.
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Care to cite a source for that because we regularly pray for them as brothers in Christ who are separated from our Church. I know, I am the head lector of my parish and read from the prayer book.
 
Dawud said:
You are the one with your head in your own anal cavity.

The problems in Somali have to do with tribalism and culture and not religion.

I know that doesn't fit your Islamophobic world veiw. But it's the truth.
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Absolutely agreed. One tribe hates the other. It doesn't make sense, but that has been the reality with Somali tribes for hundreds of years.
 
Laila said:
This has jack **** to do with Islam. Are we clear now?
This is to do with cultural differences and a ****ed up interpretation.
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I think many people don't see that the ISlamic community is vey diverse. Though I am a devout Catholic, it is clear to anyone with a functioning brain and who as had some exposure to Muslims (I have worked with Muslims from many different countries from Indonesia and the Philippines to the UAE and Kuwait, to Somalia/Somaliland and Sudan) and I know there there are wide gulfs in the way people from these different areas think. There are more than a BILLION Muslims in the world. Anyone so simpleminded to think that all Muslims are alike really doesn't belong in this forum.
 
Vader said:
The Catholic church has been using that same tired ploy since Pius II tried to have Elizabeth II of England murdered because she was non-catholic.

It's pure bull****.

I would say the catholics calling somebody non-christian is the pot calling the kettle black.
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I don't know any knowledgable Catholic who calls Protestants non-Christian.
 
cherokee said:
So will ALL Muslims condemn and openly protest this act of murdering a child in Islam's name? I have a feeling no one will.
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Yeap, but McCain did read this news and today in the morning he declared "victory" in Iraq and said that he will send the troops to Somalia to chage their way of life to freedom. In his speech in Florida he also showed the future and justified transfer of 10 billion dollars a month from Iraq to Somalia.

Lets vote for that warmonger...:2razz:
 
cherokee said:
So will ALL Muslims condemn and openly protest this act of murdering a child in Islam's name? I have a feeling no one will.
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It's sad isn't it, that religion drives people to behave this way? It's a good thing liberal and progressive ideas have tempered the barbarism of xianity. The rhetoric is still as acrimonious and egregious but the acts of social violence are fewer. Now when it comes to war however...
 
Vader said:
I disagree, Laila.

I think Islam, misinterpreted though it may have been, was the catylist for this crime.

If not for the islam-o-nazi asshats that live by the corrupt word of wahabbi islam, this murder would likely not have occurred.

Islam does bare some responisbilty for what occurred. Most of the blame falls on some brainwashed assholes who need to face as horrible a death as possible.

:shock:
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Islam was not a catalyst for anything, this is a country which has had non stop war for over 18 years and even before that. Its inevitable crazy people would start acting out such as stonings - especially seeing its Islamists who want control of Somalia
 
ludahai said:
Absolutely agreed. One tribe hates the other. It doesn't make sense, but that has been the reality with Somali tribes for hundreds of years.
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:agree
Even I still have tribal thinking when it comes to Somalia/Puntland and especially regarding other tribes :S
 
ludahai said:
I think many people don't see that the ISlamic community is vey diverse. Though I am a devout Catholic, it is clear to anyone with a functioning brain and who as had some exposure to Muslims (I have worked with Muslims from many different countries from Indonesia and the Philippines to the UAE and Kuwait, to Somalia/Somaliland and Sudan) and I know there there are wide gulfs in the way people from these different areas think. There are more than a BILLION Muslims in the world. Anyone so simpleminded to think that all Muslims are alike really doesn't belong in this forum.
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Absolutely, you cannot use a wide brush on an entire group of followers. You'll find moderate/fundemental Muslims as well as liberal and conservative. Some Muslims will take the Qu'ran literally, others will see it more as a guide. Depends really.
 
Laila said:
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Even I still have tribal thinking when it comes to Somalia/Puntland and especially regarding other tribes :S
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Regardless of what so many people will tell you, there is nothing wrong with this. It is natural and right for any person to put their own tribe above other tribes-- just as within the tribe, a person should put their own family above other families.

It is the natural order of things, and our obligation as members of a tribe.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Regardless of what so many people will tell you, there is nothing wrong with this. It is natural and right for any person to put their own tribe above other tribes-- just as within the tribe, a person should put their own family above other families.

It is the natural order of things, and our obligation as members of a tribe.
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Lol, don't worry. Im proud of my Qabil [tribe] and would naturally put them above anyone else in the region likewise a Harod would do the same against an Issaq [Two rival Somali tribes]

I find it just amusing how i can have such open and modern views when im in UK yet one step into Somaliland, im back to that thinking.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
Why do you care? She wasn't kin to you and it didn't happen in your neighborhood-- nothing to do with you at all, really.

Our own government is not going to do anything about this killing, nor will they condemn and openly protest it. Will you argue that they approve of this kind of action on that basis?
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And this guy is a mod, and gets thanks from the party of compassion? It's like the Twilight Zone.


ISLAM, THE RELIGION OF PEACE. :shock:
 
American said:
And this guy is a mod, and gets thanks from the party of compassion? It's like the Twilight Zone.
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Party of compassion? I get thanks from a lot of people, most of whom I horrify in one way or another.

And why shouldn't I be a mod? I understand the forum rules and have no problem upholding them.

American said:
ISLAM, THE RELIGION OF PEACE. :shock:
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What on Earth could have ever confused you into thinking I was a Muslim?
 
If you have some data on the Judeo-Christian Cultist murders I'd love to see it.
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Never heard of Jim Jones and Jamestown and the +900 deaths?
 
talloulou said:
Whatever the reason, apathy is an intolerable answer.
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*shrugs*

Im more worried about Somaliland. When i get round to it, Somalia will be on the top of my list.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
However, I see no reason to care what Somali Muslims do to Somali girls. With no offense intended to Laila, who appears to be quite a lovely person, there simply isn't a single Somali on the planet whose life means a damn to me.



I criticized you for using a young girl's violation and murder to justify a political agenda. And, I criticized you for allowing yourself to be outraged over something that wasn't your concern-- and for being doubly outraged over my refusal to do so.
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hmm interesting. Perhaps it's a form of narcissism more so than apathy. :doh
 
talloulou said:
hmm interesting. Perhaps it's a form of narcissism more so than apathy. :doh
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If it's narcissism to be mindful of the fact that the entire world cannot be our responsibility, then so be it.

There are people much closer to me, whose lives I can do something about, who could benefit from my sense of moral outrage and my compassion.
 
Korimyr the Rat said:
If it's narcissism to be mindful of the fact that the entire world cannot be our responsibility, then so be it.

There are people much closer to me, whose lives I can do something about, who could benefit from my sense of moral outrage and my compassion.
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Well globalization has made the world much smaller in most every single way. As a superpower who wields a none too shabby influence over much of the world why shouldn't we be interested in such matters?

If basic human rights for all people is not worth fighting for than what is?

Why shouldn't we clean up pockets of **** around the world?

Eventually someone will have to clean them up. I imagine the world will continue to shrink with various regions only gaining in their ability to affect other regions. Shall we allow messes to fester on in apathy which basically means we leave the problem for our children's children or should we start giving a ****, now?

I can understand a heightened concern for your own but that doesn't necessitate an apathy for all others.
 
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ludahai said:
I don't know any knowledgable Catholic who calls Protestants non-Christian.
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Then you need to study history just a little bit more carefully.

There is almost as much blood on catholic hands as is there is on Muslim hands.
 
Bonnie1988 said:
The same base attitudes towards women also still exists in our country. Note that it is criminal to hang an effigy of a man but humorous to do so of a woman. Slavery of women is still very much alive in the USA.
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To a degree ... yes; however, in this country women have rights and we do not stone rape victims to death.

That is something that only the barbarian factions of Islam are willing to do.
 
Dawud said:
Can you blame them?

All the West has done is bring misery and destruction.
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Terrorist rhetoric!

Muslims have done far worse in the name of Allah and Islamic mind control.
 
Slippery Slope said:
It's sad isn't it, that religion drives people to behave this way? It's a good thing liberal and progressive ideas have tempered the barbarism of xianity. The rhetoric is still as acrimonious and egregious but the acts of social violence are fewer. Now when it comes to war however...
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Wow. Bigoted ignorance from the left. Why am I not surprised?

The Roman Catholic Church is responsible for more charity than any organization in the history of mankind.
 
Laila said:
Absolutely, you cannot use a wide brush on an entire group of followers. You'll find moderate/fundemental Muslims as well as liberal and conservative. Some Muslims will take the Qu'ran literally, others will see it more as a guide. Depends really.
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Sounds similar to the diversity within the Christian community. Imagine that!
 
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