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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I stand corrected in that British Somaliland was granted independence five days before Italian Somaliland, though both voluntarily joined into a greater Somali state. There are Somali nationalists who also wanted to incorporate Djubuti (formerly French Somaliland, then Territory of the Afars and Issas) as well as the Ethiopian region of Ogaden (I may have some spellings off). The point is that the voluntarily unified.
    It was a decision that wasn't thought through and one deeply regretted. However states has gone through failed unions and has been recognised; why should Somaliland be viewed as an exception? Syria/Egypt, Senegal and Gambia for example.

    Of course Somali nationalists [read: retards] still believe a unified Somalia - a Greater Somalia can still occur. It is a long lost dream.
    Hence why the Somali flag has five stars - represents each region which has Somalis living in.

    We are largely on the same side here. It is stronger than Kosovo, though Somaliland's unification with Italian Somaliland was legal as best I can tell. I have never seen any argument to convince me that the unification of the two territories in 1960 was NOT legal. As for the requirements of statehood, the four requirements commonly cited (which come from the Convention of Montevedeo) are government, permanent population, defined territory, and capacity to enter into relations with other states. On the fourth point, their claim is a little weak as their international relations aren't very broad - though it is admittedly expanding. The problem is that many legal scholars add a fifth requirement - the legality of the origin of the state, and this is where Somaliland runs into a problem as it is part of the internationally recognized borders of Somalia.
    It shouldn't be recognised as part of Somalia anymore. We should have been recognised by the world when Somaliland declared independence after the 'civil war'
    Somaliland has achieved everything the world wanted Somalia to achieve yet instead of ensuring Somaliland continues to be stable, it pours more money into the failed state that is Somalia.
    The origin of Somaliland goes back as a seperate entity from being a British colony and then independence and recognition, so regardless of the union. If the AU and West recognised Somaliland - it would not set a precendent for secessionist movement. [Something AU fears]
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    Why do you care? She wasn't kin to you and it didn't happen in your neighborhood-- nothing to do with you at all, really.

    Our own government is not going to do anything about this killing, nor will they condemn and openly protest it. Will you argue that they approve of this kind of action on that basis?
    You're right I didn't know her. Does this mean I have to know the victim before I can become disgusted and outraged? Is this how it works in your world?...
    How about it we treated rape victims here the same way?

    I never said I wanted the US government to do anything over this, I want the so called moderate MUSLIMS to protest this act. You remember them don't you? The ones who say only a few "bad" Muslims commit acts like these.
    The ones who don't speak for Islam. But I'm guessing the moderate Muslim world will simply watch this pass by without doing or saying anything . Maybe because they don't care or maybe because they approve.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's not Islam, it's social politics. We're talking about Somalia. This type of thing would never happen in Jordan, or Egypt, or many other places where Muslims are the majority. Laws differ in different countries. Religion exists along side free societies just like it does alongside of fascist societies. Religion is always there. It's the level of social politics that determines the level of barbarism.

    Regional social politics are the "status quo", and religion, of course, will end up playing a role in that, but religion is not the determiner. If that were true, then all Islamic nations of the world would demonstrate this level of violence, and the truth is that only a few do. You don't see women getting stoned to death in the UAE, do you?
    No this is Islam regardless of the region. Are you going to tell me next that Muslim women have the same rights as men? Israel sits in the Middle East yet she views rape as a crime against women and not as a family embarrassment or act of adultery.

    You claim this would never happen in Jordan, Egypt? I guess they never have honor killings or practice female genital mutilation, and virginity testing do they?
    Its been estimated that last year alone world wide 5000 women where killed to protect the families honor, can we guess the religion behind the most?

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    I never said I wanted the US government to do anything over this, I want the so called moderate MUSLIMS to protest this act. You remember them don't you? The ones who say only a few "bad" Muslims commit acts like these.
    The ones who don't speak for Islam. But I'm guessing the moderate Muslim world will simply watch this pass by without doing or saying anything . Maybe because they don't care or maybe because they approve.
    Somalia is a torn up country, it has people dying every damn day. Me sitting here condeming these people is going to do what?
    I condemn murderers, rapists and pedophiles every day. Makes no difference to it happening.
    I repeat again what would you like us to do in Somalia?
    If US and the world has tried for 17 years to stablise Somalia and FAILED. What will moderate Muslims achieve? Nothing
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    You're right I didn't know her. Does this mean I have to know the victim before I can become disgusted and outraged? Is this how it works in your world?...
    You claim to be disgusted and outraged, but I don't think you honestly give a damn about the victim at all. I think you're using her, and the vile things that were done to her, to feel better about hating a religion of over a billion people-- the majority of which had nothing to do with either her plight or attacks against our country.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    How about it we treated rape victims here the same way?
    If we treated rape victims here in this fashion, every woman I care about would be endangered. If this had happened to one of my friends or a member of my family, I'd make sure to kill every last subhuman responsible, no matter how many innocent people I had to crush to get them all.

    But there is no comparison between some girl that neither of us has ever known or even thought about until hearing of her death, and the people we live and work with every day.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    I never said I wanted the US government to do anything over this, I want the so called moderate MUSLIMS to protest this act.
    So you are outraged, you want me to be outraged, but you do not want anything to be done about it-- at least, not by people who are answerable to your concerns?

    You are calling for justice on behalf of someone you have no relationship to, but you're demanding that that justice be done by someone else-- someone else who also has no relationship to you, and in the vast majority of cases also has no relationship to the victim.

    You do see why I think this is ridiculous, don't you?

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Hey, since there's so many bad guys in Somalia I guess we should invade them and get rid of those baaaad people, right? After all, isn't that one of the fall back reasons the Repubs spewed why we invaded Iraq... after it was proven Iraq didn't have those promised WMDs?
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Militants stone to death Somali rape victim, 13

    I have no words to express my sadness.


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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    The Rat wrote
    (Why do you care? She wasn't kin to you and it didn't happen in your neighborhood-- nothing to do with you at all, really.)

    Presumably you are as your name so accurately states a 'Rat".
    How can anyone anywhere be anything but outraged by this act.

    Tashah said she hopes she will never suffer this kind of fate.
    We all, well apart from the Rat, also hope that this type of action is heartily condemned by all civilized Governments and peoples.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    We all, well apart from the Rat, also hope that this type of action is heartily condemned by all civilized Governments and peoples.
    All Governments in the world can condemn it all it likes, it will not make a difference. Somalia is war torn, im just plain shocked more cases like this has not occured.


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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    ... im just plain shocked more cases like this has not occured.
    They do... they do.

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