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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Korimyr the Rat,
    Your recent posts makes me wonder how you would have acted before and during WWI and WWII.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Korimyr the Rat,
    Your recent posts makes me wonder how you would have acted before and during WWI and WWII.
    I would have acted pretty much exactly as the United States government acted-- I would have quietly supported England and France by lending and selling them military equipment, until Germany forced me to take an active role in the war.

    I also think that if we had stayed out of World War I-- a war we really had no stake in-- there never would have been a World War II. France would not have been able to impose the draconian sanctions on Germany that allowed the Nazis to come into power.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Isolationist inclinations aside I believe the point of identifying and analyzing things like this are to obtain knowledge. Things like this are not so common as to be considered a microcosm of the Islamic world but they are common enough to where it becomes worrisome. I sincerely believe that Islam as a whole needs to look in the mirror and come to terms with modern society. Can anyone truly say that Islamic governance is good anywhere it's implemented? Can anyone claim that Islamic governance does not relegate women to role of second-class citizens?

    Just because these things are not happening in our country does not mean we shouldn't be aware of them or that we should pretend like our compassion and intellects are finite resources to be divvied up amongst pet projects. Islamic governance is a bad thing. All religious governance is essentially a bad thing. This is the truth. I am not suggesting we actively undermine these governments through covert operations or overt shows of force, but we can effect a positive change through free-trade and effective diplomacy. Free-markets and education are a panacea for ignorance and poverty.

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    I find it funny how Korimyr the Rat, generally associated with liberal policies is arguing strongly for a paleo-isolationist conservative foreign policy while Cherokee is arguing for a liberal foreign interventionist policy along the lines of Clinton's ideas for the Balkans adventures: aka humanitarian.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I find it funny how Korimyr the Rat, generally associated with liberal policies is arguing strongly for a paleo-isolationist conservative foreign policy while Cherokee is arguing for a liberal foreign interventionist policy along the lines of Clinton's ideas for the Balkans adventures: aka humanitarian.
    Well many leftwingers have been anti-war even pacifist as well. It is only a subsection of leftwing and rightwing doctrines which are expressly interventionist for various reasons.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I find it funny how Korimyr the Rat, generally associated with liberal policies is arguing strongly for a paleo-isolationist conservative foreign policy while Cherokee is arguing for a liberal foreign interventionist policy along the lines of Clinton's ideas for the Balkans adventures: aka humanitarian.
    Really thats how you see it huh.
    Hows that, What do you think you know?

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Well many leftwingers have been anti-war even pacifist as well. It is only a subsection of leftwing and rightwing doctrines which are expressly interventionist for various reasons.
    Am I right or left wing?

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Am I right or left wing?
    You want just my own personal assessment of what I think you are.

    Personally I think you are like a lot of rank and file Americans who call themselves conservative, which is to say I percieve you as borderline neocon. I certainly percieve you as someone who would have supported the Iraq war and other similar ventures and not as an non-interventionist.

    I guess I'd say you were rightwing then.

    These are jusr assumptions and may be totally wrong, you might not even call yourself a conservative.

    Do you consider me leftwing or rightwing?
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You want just my own personal assessment of what I think you are.

    Personally I think you are like a lot of rank and file Americans who call themselves conservative, which is to say I percieve you as borderline neocon. I certainly percieve you as someone who would have supported the Iraq war and other similar ventures and not as an non-interventionist.

    I guess I'd say you were rightwing then.

    These are jusr assumptions and may be totally wrong, you might not even call yourself a conservative.

    Do you consider me leftwing or rightwing?
    I am neither leftwing or rightwing. I have always been a strong independent.
    When I look at the two I see a party with no ideas and a party of bad ideas.

    I never thought going into Iraq was a good idea while we didn't have the troops needed in Afghan. If it had been my call I would have ordered a complete invasion of Afghan (200k plus) killing every Taliban and AQ member plus any who supported them.

    I served proudly for 9 years in the USMC. I am PRO Military and will continue to stand behind our troops regardless of whats popular.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    I am neither leftwing or rightwing. I have always been a strong independent.
    When I look at the two I see a party with no ideas and a party of bad ideas.

    I never thought going into Iraq was a good idea while we didn't have the troops needed in Afghan. If it had been my call I would have ordered a complete invasion of Afghan (200k plus) killing every Taliban and AQ member plus any who supported them.

    I served proudly for 9 years in the USMC. I am PRO Military and will continue to stand behind our troops regardless of whats popular.
    Well as always some initial assumptions were correct and some were wrong.

    Personally I don't care much for militarism or interventionism.
    "It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke

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