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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    I'll condem it in a heartbeat but lets be a little bit frank here.

    This is SOMALIA.
    The country that is so ****ed up it can't control itself. [Ofc i could be a little bit biased]
    Either way, they stoned some woman for adultery this week.
    Can't say im entirely shocked that they would kill a raped 13 yr old.


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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Exactly why the world should immediately recognize Somaliland, the one region of the dysfunctional state of Somalia that is reasonably stable and is fighting against this kind of Islamofascism and terrorism. In fact, their capital city was just recently the victim of a terror attack. To a lesser extent, I would also support recognizing Puntland, another region that is more or less autonomous from the rest of the failed state and is reasonably successful - though the rationale for recognition Puntland is not as strong as that of Somaliland.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Exactly why the world should immediately recognize Somaliland, the one region of the dysfunctional state of Somalia that is reasonably stable and is fighting against this kind of Islamofascism and terrorism. In fact, their capital city was just recently the victim of a terror attack. To a lesser extent, I would also support recognizing Puntland, another region that is more or less autonomous from the rest of the failed state and is reasonably successful - though the rationale for recognition Puntland is not as strong as that of Somaliland.
    The world will not recognise Somaliland until it too late.

    Puntland is technically part of Somaliland but some of the citizens want to be recognised seperately, the other half want to stay with Somalia and the remaining few want to join with Somaliland.

    I'll say it once and i'll say it again.
    Split Somalia up and give it to the surrounding regions, the only time it was a functional state was when it was controlled by the Italians - that is saying something surely.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The world will not recognise Somaliland until it too late.

    Puntland is technically part of Somaliland but some of the citizens want to be recognised seperately, the other half want to stay with Somalia and the remaining few want to join with Somaliland.

    I'll say it once and i'll say it again.
    Split Somalia up and give it to the surrounding regions, the only time it was a functional state was when it was controlled by the Italians - that is saying something surely.
    Actually, Somaliland is the same as the former British Somaliland before unification in 1960. Puntland is the northern third of the former Italian Somaliland.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Actually, Somaliland is the same as the former British Somaliland before unification in 1960. Puntland is the northern third of the former Italian Somaliland.
    Im aware of the horn of Africa's history :P
    Puntland however harbours a large group of people who are from tribes that originate in Somaliland - so for all intents and purposes, they are ours.

    It could barely be called a unification seeing it was done without the legality involved - Under UN law, Somaliland deserves to be a different country. But notice that hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds is being poured into a failed state and for what? Nothing.


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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Korimyr the Rat View Post
    I already do.
    Why? She is not your kin and not in your neighborhood.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Why? She is not your kin and not in your neighborhood.
    No, but I do consider her a friend.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Im aware of the horn of Africa's history :P
    Puntland however harbours a large group of people who are from tribes that originate in Somaliland - so for all intents and purposes, they are ours.

    It could barely be called a unification seeing it was done without the legality involved - Under UN law, Somaliland deserves to be a different country. But notice that hundreds of millions of dollars/pounds is being poured into a failed state and for what? Nothing.
    My understanding is that the prior sovereigns (UK and Italy) agreed upon unification. While the legal situation is Somaliland is a little dodgey, there is more basis for it than the legality of Kosovar independence from Serbia. I think NOT recognizing Somaliland while recognizing Kosovo is hypocritical.

    As for Puntland, the point is it is NOT within the currently claimed borders of Somaliland and it IS within the former Italian Somaliland colony. It's status as part of Somalia as the successor state to Italian Somaliland is more solid and recognition of independence more akin to that of Kosovo.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    My understanding is that the prior sovereigns (UK and Italy) agreed upon unification. While the legal situation is Somaliland is a little dodgey, there is more basis for it than the legality of Kosovar independence from Serbia. I think NOT recognizing Somaliland while recognizing Kosovo is hypocritical.

    As for Puntland, the point is it is NOT within the currently claimed borders of Somaliland and it IS within the former Italian Somaliland colony. It's status as part of Somalia as the successor state to Italian Somaliland is more solid and recognition of independence more akin to that of Kosovo.
    Nope, UK and Italty gave Somalia and Somaliland their independence [UK gave it first then Italy gave Somalia]. Immediately it was recognised by 31 countries; UK and US included - On the same day Somalia gained independence if i remember correctly, Somalia joined with Somaliland.
    Somalis wanted a Greater Somalia - they liked the idea hence the unification.

    Indeed the case for Somaliland is stronger than Kosovo, - The Republic of Somaliland has a history of existing as a distinct seperate state. First, when it was the British Somaliland Protectorate and the second time, during its brief existence as The State of Somaliland. UN and the West also fail to recognise that the amalgamation of Somaliland and Somalia in 1960 was illegal and finally the Republic of Somaliland meets the international requirements for recognizing new states - army, consitution, an elected government, currency, freedom of press, engaged in talks with surrounding countries.

    But the world isn't exactly consistent in their actions, hypocracy in many forms is a curent occurance.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nope, UK and Italty gave Somalia and Somaliland their independence [UK gave it first then Italy gave Somalia]. Immediately it was recognised by 31 countries; UK and US included - On the same day Somalia gained independence if i remember correctly, Somalia joined with Somaliland.
    Somalis wanted a Greater Somalia - they liked the idea hence the unification.
    I stand corrected in that British Somaliland was granted independence five days before Italian Somaliland, though both voluntarily joined into a greater Somali state. There are Somali nationalists who also wanted to incorporate Djubuti (formerly French Somaliland, then Territory of the Afars and Issas) as well as the Ethiopian region of Ogaden (I may have some spellings off). The point is that the voluntarily unified.

    Indeed the case for Somaliland is stronger than Kosovo, - The Republic of Somaliland has a history of existing as a distinct seperate state. First, when it was the British Somaliland Protectorate and the second time, during its brief existence as The State of Somaliland. UN and the West also fail to recognise that the amalgamation of Somaliland and Somalia in 1960 was illegal and finally the Republic of Somaliland meets the international requirements for recognizing new states - army, consitution, an elected government, currency, freedom of press, engaged in talks with surrounding countries.
    We are largely on the same side here. It is stronger than Kosovo, though Somaliland's unification with Italian Somaliland was legal as best I can tell. I have never seen any argument to convince me that the unification of the two territories in 1960 was NOT legal. As for the requirements of statehood, the four requirements commonly cited (which come from the Convention of Montevedeo) are government, permanent population, defined territory, and capacity to enter into relations with other states. On the fourth point, their claim is a little weak as their international relations aren't very broad - though it is admittedly expanding. The problem is that many legal scholars add a fifth requirement - the legality of the origin of the state, and this is where Somaliland runs into a problem as it is part of the internationally recognized borders of Somalia.

    However, due to the previous existance as a separate entity, and the fact that there is no competant authority in Mogadishu to recognize Somaliland, and to the precedents set by the recognition of Bosnia-Herzegovinia and later Kosovo, there is a strong case to be made for Somaliland.

    But the world isn't exactly consistent in their actions, hypocracy in many forms is a curent occurance.
    No argument there.
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