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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Wow. Bigoted ignorance from the left. Why am I not surprised?

    The Roman Catholic Church is responsible for more charity than any organization in the history of mankind.
    The Roman Catholic Church is responsible for more death than any organization in the history of mankind, as well.

    Now, show me where my response was bigoted and ignorant. Is any of what I said untrue?

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I sort of agree with Korimyr. In principle I know I shouldn't, but every day I open a news paper or read online about something heinous that happened somewhere in the world. It seems like that's all that the media reports on, and they report on it to illicit an emotional reaction from the audience. That's how they make their money and get their ratings. The same goes for television news.

    The media posts stories like this for shock value, it's not really educating us about the region or telling us why things are the way they are. It's to get an empty reaction. But you know what, every day I see so many stories, both from my own country and abroad, about how something cruel happened, and I just don't have the energy to invest care in every little thing that happens. I only have control over my own life, and maybe my more immediate surroundings. Every day on my way home from school I see the same woman holding her child while sitting on the sidewalk; she is a filthy mess, her feet bitten up by bugs, and she looks completely woeful. There are other homeless people around but I can't help them all, so I choose to help her. I buy her something to eat. For me, the cost is literally less than 50 cents Canadian. I ask her how she's doing, if she and her kid have had enough to eat today. If I were not in China, I wouldn't know of her existence, and therefore I would not care.

    There is plenty of injustice in my own area. I could do something to help that, and maybe, by proxy, help the entire world somehow. But sitting here and judging a story about something that happened thousands of kilometres away in an area where I have no power to help, is not conducive to any kind of improvement. Call me a pragmatist.

    You care because the article tells you to care. How many other injustices in the world are you not aware of right now? If you could be apprised of even 2% of the crap going on in the world, you would forget the moral argument against apathy; you would simply be overwhelmed and not have the mental capacity to care.
    In fairness to the media, they don't just focus on negative circumstances or events, they focus on things that are out of the ordinary. A car wreck might seem rather ordinary but considering how many vehicles don't get into a wreck everyday, a wreck becomes something out of the ordinary. Same with a liquor store robbery, how many people go to the liquor store and don't rob it... There is also the fact that tragedy and out the ordinary things interest humans more than the mundane. So if you have 2 news papers with one reporting on the flowers that grew today and the cool summer breeze and 200 million people made it to work and back safely, you'd probably buy the one that had a big wreck or a blown up building on the front page.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    In the end I have to kind of agree with the Rat, I feel sorry for the girl but her death does not effect me beyond emotion.
    Our ridiculous drug policy however, does effect me, therefore it's much more important to me than this girls death.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I sort of agree with Korimyr. In principle I know I shouldn't...
    What principle? The notion that we are all taught as children, that every human life is equally important?

    Worst kind of nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I only have control over my own life, and maybe my more immediate surroundings. Every day on my way home from school I see the same woman... ... ...I can't help them all, so I choose to help her.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    If I were not in China, I wouldn't know of her existence, and therefore I would not care.
    But because you are there, and your compassion compels you to act, one woman's life is improved. Your compassion for this woman is meaningful, and it forms the basis of a social relationship to provide context for your actions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    There is plenty of injustice in my own area. I could do something to help that, and maybe, by proxy, help the entire world somehow.
    Why do you worry about the entire world? Isn't doing something about the injustice, or the suffering, or the disorder in your immediate surroundings meaningful enough? You have improved the world you live in; keep doing that and take pride in it, and if you should later find yourself living in a larger world, you will be better prepared to make improvements to it then.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    The Roman Catholic Church is responsible for more death than any organization in the history of mankind, as well.

    Now, show me where my response was bigoted and ignorant. Is any of what I said untrue?
    You are making the claim that the Catholic Church is responsible for more death than any organization in the history of mankind. PROVE IT!
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger807 View Post
    I know I'm coming in this conversation late, but I have to say that apathy toward these actions even in a far off land is as bad as condoning them.
    And grieving over these actions is better somehow?
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You are making the claim that the Catholic Church is responsible for more death than any organization in the history of mankind. PROVE IT!
    The Dark Ages were caused by the RCCs stand against scientific advancement. How many died because medicine didn't advance? How many died from starvation because of the feudal system? How many pagans were killed in the process of conversion?

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    The Dark Ages were caused by the RCCs stand against scientific advancement. How many died because medicine didn't advance? How many died from starvation because of the feudal system? How many pagans were killed in the process of conversion?

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    The Catholic Church DRAGGED EUROPE OUT of the Dark Ages. The Church preserved knowledge, preserved literacy in dangerous times (actually improving on the writing system at the time), was PRO-SCIENCE, and PRO-EDUCATION.

    Get your head out of your bigoted biases and actually look at the accomplishments of the Church.
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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    The Catholic Church DRAGGED EUROPE OUT of the Dark Ages. The Church preserved knowledge, preserved literacy in dangerous times (actually improving on the writing system at the time), was PRO-SCIENCE, and PRO-EDUCATION.

    Get your head out of your bigoted biases and actually look at the accomplishments of the Church.
    Sorry but you are simply wrong. The RCC preserved the knowledge it wanted and destroyed heretical knowledge. Literacy went DOWN in the dark ages to the point where only the clergy and the royalty were educated. Obviously you can't be pro-education if you are only allowing the clergy and the royalty to be educated. Pro-science? are you serious?
    A major work published in 1632 resulted in Galileo's conviction on suspicion of heresy and a lifetime house arrest. The Galileo affair provides important lessons and applications to the Church and to science today.
    GALILEO - What were Galileo's scientific and biblical conflicts with the Church? - ChristianAnswers.Net

    I think you need to research a little because you are confusing periods of history. This might help a little.
    Dark Ages - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Renaissance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Age of Enlightenment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Get your head out of your bigoted biases and actually look at the stifling, stagnation and retrogression of the Church.

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    Re: Raped 13 year old girl stoned to death.

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    You are making the claim that the Catholic Church is responsible for more death than any organization in the history of mankind. PROVE IT!
    Ok... Alter Boy Ludahai ....

    Perhaps you failed history. Perhaps you've never heard of the crusades, the witch trials, the english conquest of Ireland and/or Scotland.

    These events were all perpartrated at the behest of the catholic church.

    Pope Pius II tried to have Elizabeth I murdered because she was protastant.

    Go get a history book.

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