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San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

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San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
The sooner this is done the better.
However while legalizing Prostitution is ok, it should be done in such a way that it is controlled much the same way that the Netherlands control Prostitution over there.
Frequent screenings by Medical personnel and taxation on the income.
 
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San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
The sooner this is done the better.
However while legalizing Prostitution is ok, it should be done in such a way that it is controlled much the same way that the Netherlands control Prostitution over there.
Frequent screenings by Medical personnel and taxation on the income.

Anyone who has ever walked into the Nob Hill Theater knows prostitution is already legal in San Francisco. Or at least the anti prostitution laws are not enforced at all.
 
Good for them, provide a safe haven for a service that is needed, how else will the closeted Republicans get their jollies off :)
 
As long as there are STRICT enforcement on the laws. I know, San Francisco, I doubt that will happen, but still. Even when it is criminalized, there is still a lot of prostitution that isn't just "normal" prostitution if you know what I mean....
 
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San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
The sooner this is done the better.
However while legalizing Prostitution is ok, it should be done in such a way that it is controlled much the same way that the Netherlands control Prostitution over there.
Frequent screenings by Medical personnel and taxation on the income.

Yeah they're doing a find job of it in the Netherlands.

The Netherlands is a primary country of destination for victims of human trafficking. Many of these are led to believe by organized criminals that they are being offered work in hotels or restaurants or in child care and are forced into prostitution with the threat or actual use of violence. Estimates of the number of victims vary from 1000 to 7000 on a yearly basis.Most police investigations on human trafficking concern legal sex businesses. All sectors of prostitution are well represented in these investigations, but particularly the window brothels are overrepresented.[7][8]

Over the years there has been a significant increase of registered Dutch victims of human trafficking. In 2005 23% of the persons registered at the Dutch Foundation Against Trafficking in Women were Dutch citizens.

In an effort to crack down on forced prostitution, a campaignldmisdaadanoniem.districts encouraging clients to report signs of coercion. The poster has an eyecatching silhouette of a spike-heeled prostitute with long hair leaning back, but on closer inspection another picture reveals a gun being held to the female's head. The caption reads "Have you seen the signals? Fear, bruises, no 'pleasure' in the job." It then goes on to offer a phone number which clients can call anonymously.

Prostitution in the Netherlands - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
Bout time. Prostitution should be legal.
 
It's about time. Criminalizing what two consenting adults do sexually, for money or not, is not about protecting society; it's about punishing people based on one segment of society's definition of morality.

I say decriminalize it, regulate it like any other business, and we'll probably find that not only is a lot of lot enforcement time freed up, but instances of sexually transmitted disease will decrease substantially.

Oh, and prostitution is NOT human trafficking. Kidnapping people, holding them against their will and forcing them to do anything, either sexual or in a manufacturing sweat shop, will still be illegal.
 
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Although studies show that the legalization of prostitution has some negative social implications, it is unreasonable to make a private interaction between to consenting adults illegal.

There's a service (use your imagination).

There's a certificate of achievement (money) that is used to make a claim on the previously mentioned service.

Theres an exchange of the service for the certificate of achievement.

Don't like it?

Don't buy it.

It's a waste of time, money and resources to try to prevent prostitution. The hubris of Government to believe it can make extinct what's known as "the world's oldest profession."
 
San Francisco has already had problems with attempting to ignore state laws, I wonder if there's a state law about prostitution already.

Nevada has their law set up for counties less than 400K and if there's not a county/city law against it.
 
I think this is very progressive. It provides those who don't want to be in the industry the ability to get out. In places where prostitution is illegal, those who are trapped (either financially, abusively, etc.) can't turn to the police because in doing so they admit their line of work and suffer punishment. In being punished, it also downgrades the status of their abusive situation. For instance, the courts would be less likely to sympathize with a prostitute who was raped since her line of work is illegal and therefore "immoral".

It also provides agency for those who choose to be in the industry and want to stay. They can now engage in quality control, have safe havens, locations for education, and places to do their "business" that aren't seedy and underground. Safer for all parties involved.

Finally, it also shuts up the feminists who are unknowingly reinforcing patriarchal ideals by painting all prostitutes as victims of circumstance. Not all are, and with legalization taking place it permits those on both side of the coin to be able to talk about their lives and show that the industry is diverse.
 
And paid for by insurance too, right?

I don't see why it would be covered by insurance. I also don't see why it's illegal. Consenting adults, they can do as they like. If you want to sell sex, go for it.
 
I honestly don't see any reason to keep prostitution illegal. If it were legal it could be far more regulated, which I think would be a great benefit. Plus, we could get rid of the whole absurd "escort" system, which is obviously prostitution anyway.

"I don’t understand why prostitution is illegal. Selling is legal, ****ing is legal. Why isn't selling ****ing legal?" - George Carlin
 
Prostitution is hardly a victimless crime as so many who also defend legalizing drugs on this forum make it out to be.

There's nothing GOOD about it; it serves NO good purpose and the notion that no one suffers from it is a bizarre argument in the extreme.

I am hardly surprised by our usual troop of Liberals and Libertarians defending the indefensible and continued demise of morals in this country.

Prostitution is a crime for many very good reasons; drugs, criminal activity, women demeaning themselves for a quick fix....where does it end?

Only truly demented people can think that legalizing a crime that demeans women and further erodes morality can be a GOOD idea.

Carry on. Nothing more need be said about this sickness. Suffice it to say San Francisco is rapidly declining into a cesspool of its own lack of moral guidance.
 
Yeah, heaven forbid we allow people to make their own choices and for adults to engage in contractual agreements that don't harm anyone else, right?

Prudes, prudes banned booze back in the day, prudes censor on TV and endorse the FCC, prudes can't handle freedom.
 
Prostitution is hardly a victimless crime as so many who also defend legalizing drugs on this forum make it out to be.

There's nothing GOOD about it; it serves NO good purpose and the notion that no one suffers from it is a bizarre argument in the extreme.

I am hardly surprised by our usual troop of Liberals and Libertarians defending the indefensible and continued demise of morals in this country.

Prostitution is a crime for many very good reasons; drugs, criminal activity, women demeaning themselves for a quick fix....where does it end?

Only truly demented people can think that legalizing a crime that demeans women and further erodes morality can be a GOOD idea.

Carry on. Nothing more need be said about this sickness. Suffice it to say San Francisco is rapidly declining into a cesspool of its own lack of moral guidance.


Just because they don't share your medieval moral system doesn't mean they have no morals. Morals change thru the ages, you may not agree with the changes, but that does not make people who do not share your views immoral. And San Francisco is hardly a cesspool.... very nice people there.
 
Prostitution is a crime for many very good reasons; drugs, criminal activity, women demeaning themselves for a quick fix....where does it end?

Don't you think all of that other stuff would diminish if it were regulated in some form? How does it demean a woman if it is her choice to do it? Some women enjoy sex and want to make some money off of it. I don't see anything wrong with that. By the way, prostitution isn't just limited to women either.

Only truly demented people can think that legalizing a crime that demeans women and further erodes morality can be a GOOD idea.

I don't see how it demeans a woman if it is her choice to do it.
 
Don't you think all of that other stuff would diminish if it were regulated in some form? How does it demean a woman if it is her choice to do it? Some women enjoy sex and want to make some money off of it. I don't see anything wrong with that. By the way, prostitution isn't just limited to women either.

I don't see how it demeans a woman if it is her choice to do it.

The notion that Prostitution is a choice for someone who can make choices is quite amusing.

I suggest you take a look at how well legalized drugs and prostitution works in Holland; look up Amsterdam if you want an honest answer.

I imagine you have some romantic notion that prostitution is where beautiful smart women engage in contracts with handsome smart men and they meet in an expensive hotel after some expensive drinks.

I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.

Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.
 
Just because they don't share your medieval moral system doesn't mean they have no morals. Morals change thru the ages, you may not agree with the changes, but that does not make people who do not share your views immoral. And San Francisco is hardly a cesspool.... very nice people there.

The only thing medieval here are yours and the others on this thread notion about prostitution; more than medieval, they are more B.C.

San Fran is a city that wallows in a cesspool of Liberal tax policies, homes no one can afford to own and their own notions about laws and permissiveness. But I hope they do legalize prostitution there; it might pull all the drug pushers and criminals out of cities like LA and San Diego. We'd love to see San Fran make a home for them.
 
Prostitution is hardly a victimless crime as so many who also defend legalizing drugs on this forum make it out to be.

There's nothing GOOD about it; it serves NO good purpose and the notion that no one suffers from it is a bizarre argument in the extreme.

I am hardly surprised by our usual troop of Liberals and Libertarians defending the indefensible and continued demise of morals in this country.

Prostitution is a crime for many very good reasons; drugs, criminal activity, women demeaning themselves for a quick fix....where does it end?

Only truly demented people can think that legalizing a crime that demeans women and further erodes morality can be a GOOD idea.

Carry on. Nothing more need be said about this sickness. Suffice it to say San Francisco is rapidly declining into a cesspool of its own lack of moral guidance.

I agree (except for your typical hyper-partisan crap) and don't think it should be legal, but there are valid arguments for legalization. Many of the very worst aspects of the business such as violence and human trafficking could be greatly reduced or even eliminated by creating a legitimate, regulated market. In worst case benefits from decriminalization, but the average case is greatly penalized.
 
The notion that Prostitution is a choice for someone who can make choices is quite amusing.

How so?

I suggest you take a look at how well legalized drugs and prostitution works in Holland; look up Amsterdam if you want an honest answer.

Obviously you are referring to something specific in how it is bad in Holland, perhaps you can provide some information about this instead of expecting me to look it up for you.

I imagine you have some romantic notion that prostitution is where beautiful smart women engage in contracts with handsome smart men and they meet in an expensive hotel after some expensive drinks.

No, I don't have a romantic notion about it at all. I think if it is regulated correctly, though, it can be beneficial. For instance, this is how things are in 11 counties in Nevada where brothels are legal:

Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases, and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.

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I see nothing wrong with prostitution as long as it is regulated in that manner.
I don't really see how illegal drugs or crime comes into play in a situation like that.

I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.

I don't think it demeans women or men at all. It's just sex for money. Now, what you are referring to is women on the streets who are either poor or in desperate need of a drug fix and they prostitute themselves to get it. I think that obviously something like that wouldn't fit into a more regulated system and should remain illegal. I do think women should be allowed to work independently, but there obviously should be similar regulations in place for them as well.

Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.

Why do you insist on victimizing all of these women? Now, I'm sure there are plenty of cases where women are forced into it either for drugs or whatever. However, that isn't always the case. There are plenty of women who do it to help get through college or who just like having sex. How are they demeaning themselves if it is something that they like? I'm sure that they are demeaned in your eyes, but that's only because you personally find it distasteful. To each their own.
 
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