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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Excuse me? Is murder my business? Is a country of drug addicts my business? We live in a society, it's not to each his own.
    What does prostitution have to do with murder? Or drugs? They're probably only loosely correlated right now because prostitution is illegal. Chances are if you legalize it, prostitution would separate itself from those two things. Not that drugs should be illegal either...murder should as you are infringing upon the rights of others.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.

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    Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.
    One thing I think that is important to keep in mind is that what you can SEE in any city doesn't represent the bulk of the activity. MOST illegal prostitution in the U.S. has moved to the internet.

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    In a sense I agree with you. I wouldn't want to be a prostitute. But if my prospects were crappy full time minimum wage or crappy part time prostitution I think I might just have to consider allowing scumbags to fondle me.

    I don't want to take the thread in a different direction but the things people have to endure to make minimum wage in this country can be pretty demeaning as well.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    What does prostitution have to do with murder? Or drugs? They're probably only loosely correlated right now because prostitution is illegal. Chances are if you legalize it, prostitution would separate itself from those two things. Not that drugs should be illegal either...murder should as you are infringing upon the rights of others.

    Also, societies have no rights, only individuals possess rights.
    Society allows rights. Individuals have nothing to do with them.

    Anything that causes people to have a crap life affects me. Drugs lead to a crap life. Crime leads to a crap life, and prostitution leads to a crap life.

    This decision is completely up to the public, not the individual.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by sazerac View Post
    Society allows rights. Individuals have nothing to do with them.

    Anything that causes people to have a crap life affects me. Drugs lead to a crap life. Crime leads to a crap life, and prostitution leads to a crap life.

    This decision is completely up to the public, not the individual.
    Wow...that's a rather communistic view of things.
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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Wow...that's a rather communistic view of things.
    Oh, come on! Everyone knows I'm to the right of Attila the Hun!

    Actually, this really has nothing to do with the economy. And conservative societies are the most likely to be strict about crime and prostitution.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The notion that Prostitution is a choice for someone who can make choices is quite amusing.

    Why is that?

    I suggest you take a look at how well legalized drugs and prostitution works in Holland; look up Amsterdam if you want an honest answer.

    Well of course. Also, Nevada is another example. But these things happen anyway, but when its legal, the regulated system replaces the pimps with a taxed business. STD tests are mandatory, and its zoned as well, often in places where nobody wants to live anyway.

    I imagine you have some romantic notion that prostitution is where beautiful smart women engage in contracts with handsome smart men and they meet in an expensive hotel after some expensive drinks.

    Not all prostitutes are women, not all buyers are men. Have you ever heard of a Gigolo?

    I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.


    Your basing all prostitution on criminal prostitution. Why don't you check out Amsterdam for yourself?

    Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.


    Not all prostitutes are women, not all buyers are men. Have you ever heard of a Gigolo? Also, have you considered that they might not mind?
    These things happen anyway, but when its legal, the regulated system replaces the pimps with a taxed business. STD tests are mandatory, and its zoned as well, often in places where nobody wants to live anyway. I think that's a better system than the current, so does most of the industrialized world, throughout Europe, and I think Japan too.

    As for the woman who sold to former New York governor, I hope she's doing okay. She did look haught though, and she's in a better situation because of what she did; but this is more of the exception not the rule. Legal prostitution would be a bit more like that.
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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Well, I also think there are some very serious differences between our culture and the culture in Amsterdam. If you look at the brothels in Nevada they aren't seedy like that at all. It is a professional business and the women are there completely by choice.
    I think this is an important point. New Zeland has legalised brothels and doesnt seam to have any problem with human trafficking. The brothels tend to be run as cooperatives so the potential for abuse is much lower.

    Also bear in mind that banning prostitution isnt that same as stopping human trafficking. The UK has a huge trafficking problem and prositution is illegal across the country. Those trafficking women would be easyer to track down, and those who where trafficked would find it easyer to get help, if prostitution were legal. Though sadly its only the green party that has been brave enough to surgest this so far.
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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    The sooner this is done the better.
    However while legalizing Prostitution is ok, it should be done in such a way that it is controlled much the same way that the Netherlands control Prostitution over there.
    Frequent screenings by Medical personnel and taxation on the income.
    Like they do in Nevada would be fine.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The notion that Prostitution is a choice for someone who can make choices is quite amusing.

    I suggest you take a look at how well legalized drugs and prostitution works in Holland; look up Amsterdam if you want an honest answer.

    I imagine you have some romantic notion that prostitution is where beautiful smart women engage in contracts with handsome smart men and they meet in an expensive hotel after some expensive drinks.

    I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.

    Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.
    I find the last paragraph interesting because the normal responce to poverty from your ilk is "work harder and you,ll get over it". Why is there this sudden overflow of moral outrage when it come to people selling themselves as a result of poverty and none as regards the poverty itself?

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
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    San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution
    The sooner this is done the better.
    However while legalizing Prostitution is ok, it should be done in such a way that it is controlled much the same way that the Netherlands control Prostitution over there.
    Frequent screenings by Medical personnel and taxation on the income.
    Excellent news. It's about time. Sex is not a crime, so why should it become a crime when money changes hands?

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