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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Prostitution is a crime for many very good reasons; drugs, criminal activity, women demeaning themselves for a quick fix....where does it end?
    Don't you think all of that other stuff would diminish if it were regulated in some form? How does it demean a woman if it is her choice to do it? Some women enjoy sex and want to make some money off of it. I don't see anything wrong with that. By the way, prostitution isn't just limited to women either.

    Only truly demented people can think that legalizing a crime that demeans women and further erodes morality can be a GOOD idea.
    I don't see how it demeans a woman if it is her choice to do it.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    Don't you think all of that other stuff would diminish if it were regulated in some form? How does it demean a woman if it is her choice to do it? Some women enjoy sex and want to make some money off of it. I don't see anything wrong with that. By the way, prostitution isn't just limited to women either.

    I don't see how it demeans a woman if it is her choice to do it.
    The notion that Prostitution is a choice for someone who can make choices is quite amusing.

    I suggest you take a look at how well legalized drugs and prostitution works in Holland; look up Amsterdam if you want an honest answer.

    I imagine you have some romantic notion that prostitution is where beautiful smart women engage in contracts with handsome smart men and they meet in an expensive hotel after some expensive drinks.

    I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.

    Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger807 View Post
    Just because they don't share your medieval moral system doesn't mean they have no morals. Morals change thru the ages, you may not agree with the changes, but that does not make people who do not share your views immoral. And San Francisco is hardly a cesspool.... very nice people there.
    The only thing medieval here are yours and the others on this thread notion about prostitution; more than medieval, they are more B.C.

    San Fran is a city that wallows in a cesspool of Liberal tax policies, homes no one can afford to own and their own notions about laws and permissiveness. But I hope they do legalize prostitution there; it might pull all the drug pushers and criminals out of cities like LA and San Diego. We'd love to see San Fran make a home for them.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Prostitution is hardly a victimless crime as so many who also defend legalizing drugs on this forum make it out to be.

    There's nothing GOOD about it; it serves NO good purpose and the notion that no one suffers from it is a bizarre argument in the extreme.

    I am hardly surprised by our usual troop of Liberals and Libertarians defending the indefensible and continued demise of morals in this country.

    Prostitution is a crime for many very good reasons; drugs, criminal activity, women demeaning themselves for a quick fix....where does it end?

    Only truly demented people can think that legalizing a crime that demeans women and further erodes morality can be a GOOD idea.

    Carry on. Nothing more need be said about this sickness. Suffice it to say San Francisco is rapidly declining into a cesspool of its own lack of moral guidance.
    I agree (except for your typical hyper-partisan crap) and don't think it should be legal, but there are valid arguments for legalization. Many of the very worst aspects of the business such as violence and human trafficking could be greatly reduced or even eliminated by creating a legitimate, regulated market. In worst case benefits from decriminalization, but the average case is greatly penalized.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The notion that Prostitution is a choice for someone who can make choices is quite amusing.
    How so?

    I suggest you take a look at how well legalized drugs and prostitution works in Holland; look up Amsterdam if you want an honest answer.
    Obviously you are referring to something specific in how it is bad in Holland, perhaps you can provide some information about this instead of expecting me to look it up for you.

    I imagine you have some romantic notion that prostitution is where beautiful smart women engage in contracts with handsome smart men and they meet in an expensive hotel after some expensive drinks.
    No, I don't have a romantic notion about it at all. I think if it is regulated correctly, though, it can be beneficial. For instance, this is how things are in 11 counties in Nevada where brothels are legal:

    Nevada law requires that registered brothel prostitutes be checked weekly for several sexually transmitted diseases, and monthly for HIV; furthermore, condoms are mandatory for all oral sex and sexual intercourse. Brothel owners may be held liable if customers become infected with HIV after a prostitute has tested positive for the virus.

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    I see nothing wrong with prostitution as long as it is regulated in that manner.
    I don't really see how illegal drugs or crime comes into play in a situation like that.

    I would suggest that many here who have such romantic notions about this victimless crime that demeans both the women and the men who engage in it, go out to any major city street where prostitution is conducted and see how sexy it is.
    I don't think it demeans women or men at all. It's just sex for money. Now, what you are referring to is women on the streets who are either poor or in desperate need of a drug fix and they prostitute themselves to get it. I think that obviously something like that wouldn't fit into a more regulated system and should remain illegal. I do think women should be allowed to work independently, but there obviously should be similar regulations in place for them as well.

    Man, you just can't make up this level of denial; the notion that women who demean themselves and allow scumbags fondle and **** them as being a choice is just beyond the pale. It is called desperation more than anything else.
    Why do you insist on victimizing all of these women? Now, I'm sure there are plenty of cases where women are forced into it either for drugs or whatever. However, that isn't always the case. There are plenty of women who do it to help get through college or who just like having sex. How are they demeaning themselves if it is something that they like? I'm sure that they are demeaned in your eyes, but that's only because you personally find it distasteful. To each their own.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Kernel Sanders View Post
    I agree (except for your typical hyper-partisan crap) and don't think it should be legal, but there are valid arguments for legalization. Many of the very worst aspects of the business such as violence and human trafficking could be greatly reduced or even eliminated by creating a legitimate, regulated market. In worst case benefits from decriminalization, but the average case is greatly penalized.
    I have been to Amsterdam, there is nothing positive about legalizing it; how humanizing is it for women to sit in display windows in panties and bras on display as merchandise to be bought?

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I have been to Amsterdam, there is nothing positive about legalizing it; how humanizing is it for women to sit in display windows in panties and bras on display as merchandise to be bought?
    If they are there by choice I don't see what is so objectionable.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I have been to Amsterdam, there is nothing positive about legalizing it; how humanizing is it for women to sit in display windows in panties and bras on display as merchandise to be bought?
    Should strip clubs also be made illegal? Is it your opinion the government should dictate to its citizens how and what two consenting adults should be able to do with their bodies in a safe manner within a private environment?
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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    I don't think it demeans women or men at all. It's just sex for money. Now, what you are referring to is women on the streets who are either poor or in desperate need of a drug fix and they prostitute themselves to get it. I think that obviously something like that wouldn't fit into a more regulated system and should remain illegal. I do think women should be allowed to work independently, but there obviously should be similar regulations in place for them as well.
    Yes, nothing demeaning about a woman whoring herself out to sweaty ugly men who can't get laid for a few bucks.

    It's obvious you don't get it. I won't say anything more on the matter, the idea of Prostitution can only be argued by those lacking in even the most basic common sense and morality.

    I'm dismissed.

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    Re: San Francisco weighs decriminalizing prostitution

    Quote Originally Posted by Dogger807 View Post
    Just because they don't share your medieval moral system doesn't mean they have no morals. Morals change thru the ages, you may not agree with the changes, but that does not make people who do not share your views immoral. And San Francisco is hardly a cesspool.... very nice people there.
    But that's the thing right? They have this set of morality they think is great and want to force it on everyone else. The ironic thing is that this is the same group of people pretty much who make claims about the "liberals" and the Democrats trying to use government to run our lives; and they do so with great indignation as if they are appalled by the idea of government running our lives. Well to be honest, I am fairly repulsed by the idea as well. However, this group in particular isn't so much against the use of government to run our lives as much as they are against the use of government to run our lives in a manner they don't agree with. They are more than happy to use government to run our lives. To tell us what's good and what's bad, what's useful and what's pointless, what we should do and what we shouldn't do. They have no objection to the actual act of government coercion; they only object when that coercion is used in a manner contrary to they way they want to run our lives for us.

    It's rather hypocritical in the end, but that's the way a lot of this goes regardless. It's why that I say these types of people can't actually handle freedom. Because people are going to make choices that they don't like and they are going to be so conceited, so holier-than-thou, that they can not let others make those choices. Instead they will call down the force of government to prevent people from making those choices. Freedom is a scary thing in the end, and you have to be able to have the resolve, the backbone, to be able to handle it.
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