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New report: Trump appears to have committed multiple campaign finance-related crimes

If it's something he can wriggle out of then the law wasn't violated.

As with the rest of these cases it goes into the 'wait and see' basket. My guess is some campaign patsy takes the fall for it, a fine is issued and Trump supporters are forced to concede the law was violated but get to claim he had ignorance of the deal (intellectual dishonesty) or that since it's no biggie we should all just forget about it (moving the goalpost).

Since there's talk of a tape with trump in the room though, I doubt the president will walk away from this with no egg on his face at all.
 
How can democrats be so angry about Trump and not Hillary. Her lack of character cost you guys the Presidency, her destroying her emails on her private server while they were under subpeana. And just now Mr Cohen says he intends to make money off his opportunities and knowledge about Trump. In other words to make money off his illegal deeds.

Hillary Clinton is not the president. The time for anger at her was the day she lost the election. Different ball game now.
 
I am mad at Hilary, for being stupid enough to not figure out a better campaign strategy, for not campaigning better in more key states, and for not being my choice of candidates in the first place. For e-mails? No, Trump's staff used e-mails then and continue to do so, and no one cares about that.

I'm more mad about republicans being complicit about Russian interference in our elections, about continuing efforts by the republicans to suppress voting in our elections, and our government's failure to make fighting foreign government interference in future elections a priority.
 
We will see. I hope someone asks Cohen if he advised his client that what he was advising him to do was a violation of law. I doubt Cohen had any clue that campaign finance law might be involved.

Nope. Cohen stated he "didn't consider if it was improper" and didn't dispute that he never considered whether it was legal. Wow. I think that means Mueller got him to agree to plead guilty to campaign finance laws that he didn't violate. Civil fines are assessed when there is no criminal intent to violate campaign finance laws. Obama and most Presidents have paid such fines when some contribution is discovered that wasn't reported as required. Hmmmmmm??? Why would Mueller want Cohen to plead guilty to a crime he didn't commit. If Mueller's only allegation of a crime committed by Trump in his report is campaign finance laws for the personal payments to women, we will have the answer to that question.
 
So, essentially, you have a problem with reality?

Tends to be par for the course for liberals....

Get politicians who will do the right thing instead of toe the party line....can't have that though...can we?

Just curious, who has masqueraded as not rich?

You literally do not understand what I just posted.

Go swallow another tuckface load. Sure it will taste good.
 
New Report: Trump Appears to Have Committed Multiple Crimes - CREW

Alleged campaign finance related crimes include

  • Causing American Media Inc. (AMI) to make and/or accepting (or causing his then lawyer Michael Cohen to accept) an unlawful corporate contribution related to Karen McDougal.
  • Two instances of causing Cohen to make and/or accepting an unlawful individual contributions related to Stephanie Clifford and February 2015 online polling.
  • Two instances of causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC’s failure to report contributions from AMI and Cohen related to McDougal and Clifford.
  • Causing Donald J. Trump for President LLC to file false reports with the Federal Election Commission (FEC).
  • Making a false statement by failing to disclose liability to Cohen for the Clifford payment on his 2017 public financial disclosure form.
  • Conspiracy to defraud the United States by undermining the lawful function of the FEC and/or violating federal campaign finance law related to “hush money” payments, false statements, and cover-ups of reimbursement payments to Cohen made by the Trump Organization.

Add them to the list of charges please congress...

Good for you for prefacing your thread title with the verb, APPEARS.

Carry on ... ;)

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The closed hearings is where the real "meat" is disclosed.
 
You literally do not understand what I just posted.

Go swallow another tuckface load. Sure it will taste good.

LOL you can't differentiate between not agreeing, and not undersanding?

Again, par for the course.
 
I am mad at Hilary, for being stupid enough to not figure out a better campaign strategy, for not campaigning better in more key states, and for not being my choice of candidates in the first place. For e-mails? No, Trump's staff used e-mails then and continue to do so, and no one cares about that. .

Yeah, no one cares about using personal email accounts.... AS LONG AS THEY DONT FRIGGIN INCLUDE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL AND THEY DON'T FAIL TO ARCHIVE THEM AS REQUIRED BY LAW AND THEY DONT USE BLEACH BIT TO ERASE THEM AFTER CONGRESS HAS SUBPOENED THE EMAIL BECAUSE YOU FAILED TO ARCHIVE THEM YEARS EARLIER AS REQUIRED BY LAW
 
The closed hearings is where the real "meat" is disclosed.

OR the Democrats closed the hearing because they have nothing regarding Russian collusion and they don't want that displayed in public.
 
LOL you can't differentiate between not agreeing, and not undersanding?

Again, par for the course.

No, you literally do not understand my point.

You're regurgitating the lines pitched by people who pay for those lines to be reported as news on your idiot box news network.

Now, you can disagree all you like. It's normal for small minded, fear driven conservatives to deny facts; but you can't deny this.

Laura Ingrahm sits on fox news and rants about how much trump has helped the middle class and how tax breaks hurt the middle class.

Net worth $70m.

Carlson sits on fox news and rants and raves the same odious BS Ingraham rants and raves above.

Net worth $17m.

You're swallowing the elitist load.

They don't care about you, they care about themselves, and the billionaires above them pulling the strings.

There is nothing to "disagree" with there. They are millionaires pitching a populist message, of which they have no ****ing clue of what they speak.
 
Yeah, no one cares about using personal email accounts.... AS LONG AS THEY DONT FRIGGIN INCLUDE CLASSIFIED MATERIAL AND THEY DON'T FAIL TO ARCHIVE THEM AS REQUIRED BY LAW AND THEY DONT USE BLEACH BIT TO ERASE THEM AFTER CONGRESS HAS SUBPOENED THE EMAIL BECAUSE YOU FAILED TO ARCHIVE THEM YEARS EARLIER AS REQUIRED BY LAW

Too funny...Your What About What About Hillary won't save trump today...LOL
 
Good for you for prefacing your thread title with the verb, APPEARS.

It came with the article, as per forum rules. That discussion has been had already. It would be sloppy reporting of them to claim it as a fact, before it has been properly demonstrated.

I can say that with he evidence we've seen, it certainly appears so to any rational mind as well, but the court of public opinion is not a court.
 
As with the rest of these cases it goes into the 'wait and see' basket. My guess is some campaign patsy takes the fall for it, a fine is issued and Trump supporters are forced to concede the law was violated but get to claim he had ignorance of the deal (intellectual dishonesty) or that since it's no biggie we should all just forget about it (moving the goalpost).

Since there's talk of a tape with trump in the room though, I doubt the president will walk away from this with no egg on his face at all.

If hush money paid to women to keep quiet is a campaign contribution, then Congress itself has violated that law with their recently discovered slush fund they use to pay off women with sexual harassment complaints if they agree to keep quiet about it.
 
If hush money paid to women to keep quiet is a campaign contribution, then Congress itself has violated that law with their recently discovered slush fund they use to pay off women with sexual harassment complaints if they agree to keep quiet about it.

So? Go after them too, but Trump shouldn't get a pass.
 
No, you literally do not understand my point.

You're regurgitating the lines pitched by people who pay for those lines to be reported as news on your idiot box news network.

Now, you can disagree all you like. It's normal for small minded, fear driven conservatives to deny facts; but you can't deny this.

Laura Ingrahm sits on fox news and rants about how much trump has helped the middle class and how tax breaks hurt the middle class.

Net worth $70m.

Carlson sits on fox news and rants and raves the same odious BS Ingraham rants and raves above.

Net worth $17m.

You're swallowing the elitist load.

They don't care about you, they care about themselves, and the billionaires above them pulling the strings.

There is nothing to "disagree" with there. They are millionaires pitching a populist message, of which they have no ****ing clue of what they speak.

I don't watch FOX news bud, LOL care less what they say.

If that's what they are doing, then they are hypocrites, but doesn't shine away that you got triggered as soon as it came to rich people..... hell I don't even know how you classify rich, if people in my neighborhood know what I am making now, they'd **** themselves, probably vice versa for some of them....but I don't think anyone would classify as rich....

But it seems like you like to bitch and moan....just to bitch and moan.......like I said...par...for...the...course.
 
It came with the article. That discussion has been had already. It would be sloppy reporting of them to claim it as a fact, before it has been properly demonstrated.

I can say that with he evidence we've seen, it certainly appears so to any rational mind as well, but the court of public opinion is not a court.

I've already opined much earlier on your thread.
It's not a bad thread... just full of people who use a lot of supposition, confirmation bias when arguing. I realize your thread is primarily a kangaroo court. I've no objections to those who support rumor, and bias, propaganda, and wishful thinking to support their opinions. In the end though, it really means nothing.
DJT, like every other citizen in our country, if charged, will deserve due process under the law. Amen.

Have a nice day... :)
 
It came with the article. That discussion has been had already. It would be sloppy reporting of them to claim it as a fact, before it has been properly demonstrated.

I can say that with he evidence we've seen, it certainly appears so to any rational mind as well, but the court of public opinion is not a court.

Well, I don't think its rational to consider hush money paid out of ones personal pocket to be a campaign contribution ( and we have the John Edwards precedent in court), AND criminal campaign finance violations require a criminal intent. At most Trump owes a civil fine for not reporting his personal expenditure as a campaign contribution to his own campaign.
 
I don't watch FOX news bud, LOL care less what they say.

If that's what they are doing, then they are hypocrites, but doesn't shine away that you got triggered as soon as it came to rich people..... hell I don't even know how you classify rich, if people in my neighborhood know what I am making now, they'd **** themselves, probably vice versa for some of them....but I don't think anyone would classify as rich....

But it seems like you like to bitch and moan....just to bitch and moan.......like I said...par...for...the...course.

Yawn, ad hominem duly noted.

That's exactly what they're doing.

And please, spare me the memetic insults. You'll get further.
 
I've already opined much earlier on your thread.
It's not a bad thread... just full of people who use a lot of supposition, confirmation bias when arguing. I realize your thread is primarily a kangaroo court. I've no objections to those who support rumor, and bias, propaganda, and wishful thinking to support their opinions. In the end though, it really means nothing.

Sounds like a good description of the Russian Dossier, resulting FISA warrants, the Mueller investigation and the 2 years of torment of the President of the USA by the Democrats and their compliant media.
 
Too funny...Your What About What About Hillary won't save trump today...LOL

Just tired of the excuse that others have also used personal email, when that isn't the issue with Hillary. Its the classified material and the destruction of the record. I don't care if Trump wants to negotiate with Kim in N Korea on his AOL email account, as long as he puts those emails into the record as required.
 
Sorry yes, please disregard to money transaction, As I do agree and that is part of my point try to "prove" if the action was in benefit of the campaign

1) Yes Trump admitted to the NDA. like you stated NOTHING illegal about it. Second YES it is recorded that the money transfer is in relation to the NDA- nothing out of the ordinary that proves "Campaign Violation" Just that fact that it was a NDA and a payment. PEOPLE ARE TRYING to insinuate that it is in relation to a campaign violation. THAT is where were are trying to prove that....

2) SORRY Actually good point (a little forhead slap) True Trump is the Campaign....SORRY I can have a memory dump once in a while right =P

3) Sorta, The issue is currently that I am trying to sift through is, "Felony, Misdemeanor or slap on the wrist" depending how a prosecutor and how it is applied. a TREND, under misdemeanor or a slap on the rest is relevant. IF this is felony of some sort then its irrelevant. BUT I dont think this will make it pass the level of a misdemeanor at WORST? So The trend may play a part of the defense to SAY we have DONE HUNDREDs of NDA with multiple women before and after the "accused" payment. This is the only one in which reached political momentum, was it in fact campaign related or was it because it was intentionally politically driven. The tone I set is that Karen McDougal's NDA and payment was brought into play BUT disappeared into obscurity because McDougal wanted no part in the political world? Stormy on the other hand with Avennati took it to a whole new level. THEY LOST... that sets the tone in the fact was the NDA an ACTUAL violation or was in intentionally used as a political tool intentionally by the plaintiff.

4) What cover up in infidelity terms, NOT a cover up for a Presidential elections ( OR that is currently the job of the prosecution to PROVE) So semantics (yes yes its a cover up) But prosecution wise... was it a personal cover up or a Campaign cover up. That none of us know yet...

5) Same as above.... Wont deny it... I got it I agree.


YES NDA's are LEGAL. SO I have asked this but no one has yield me an answer.

As PUBLIC persona. IF I bound by the NDA.... When I address the public NOT under oath (SO in other words the NDA prohibits me to discuss it) If I am in front of a mic and asked the question the NDA essentially forces me to LIE as I AM BOUND BY IT? NOW if I was under oath under testimony, Then Does that Nullify the NDA and I must speak the truth about it RIGHT?

TRUMP was NEVER under oath when discussing Stormy Daniels. MORE so Lying about it to the public (or denying it per the NDA agreement) Is what he is bound too? CAN anyone answer me this questions. IF Trump Violated the NDA and spoke about in public. Would Stormy have rights to recovery under the NDA disclosure? Of course right because essential he violates the NDA?

Sorry a little off track but I never got a straight answer about HOW that applies to a public person when infront of the cameras like Trump was? HE was bound to lie due to the restrictions to discuss it right?
There's plenty of proof that these were campaign contributions but I will go into that later.

1) But there was something extraordinary about it. AFAIK, In all of US history, there has been only one other case of a NDA being agreed to and paid for in order to protect someone who was a presidential candidate.

Pretty extraordinary, no?

And in that one other case, it WAS criminally prosecuted.

But in the other case, the NDA was signed BEFORE the candidate became a candidate. IOW, Trump is the only presidential candidate in US history to pay for an NDA while he was either a candidate for president or the president

So yeah, it's pretty extraordinary

2) Thanks

3) ok, now I see what you're getting at with the trends.

AFAIK, it is not known if there are any more Trump affairs being covered up with NDAs. However, that is irrelevant.

What we do know is that

A) both of these affairs happened long before Trump became a candidate.

B) Both women wanted to publicly speak out about the affairs

C) both women hired a lawyer to represent them and protect them

D) both women hired the same lawyer

E) That lawyer contacted both David Pecker (of AMI) and Trump in the belief that one or both might want to play to keep the women quiet

F) At the time, neither Trump nor Pecker offered to pay for an NDA

G) Subsequently, both women did speak to the media about their affairs with Trump

H) Just weeks before Election Day, AMI offered to pay both women in exchange for their signature on an NDA

4) given the facts above, if Trump wanted to hide his infidelity from his wife, then why didn't he, or Pecker, pay for an NDA when the women's lawyer first contacted them? And why did he offer to pay AFTER the women had publicly disclosed the affairs?

And why just weeks before Election Day?
 
Just tired of the excuse that others have also used personal email, when that isn't the issue with Hillary. Its the classified material and the destruction of the record. I don't care if Trump wants to negotiate with Kim in N Korea on his AOL email account, as long as he puts those emails into the record as required.

"Classified"...Turned out to be memos on meetings and lunch times...Try again.....Hillary has never been convicted of anything........Ever
 
Sorry yes, please disregard to money transaction, As I do agree and that is part of my point try to "prove" if the action was in benefit of the campaign

1) Yes Trump admitted to the NDA. like you stated NOTHING illegal about it. Second YES it is recorded that the money transfer is in relation to the NDA- nothing out of the ordinary that proves "Campaign Violation" Just that fact that it was a NDA and a payment. PEOPLE ARE TRYING to insinuate that it is in relation to a campaign violation. THAT is where were are trying to prove that....

2) SORRY Actually good point (a little forhead slap) True Trump is the Campaign....SORRY I can have a memory dump once in a while right =P

3) Sorta, The issue is currently that I am trying to sift through is, "Felony, Misdemeanor or slap on the wrist" depending how a prosecutor and how it is applied. a TREND, under misdemeanor or a slap on the rest is relevant. IF this is felony of some sort then its irrelevant. BUT I dont think this will make it pass the level of a misdemeanor at WORST? So The trend may play a part of the defense to SAY we have DONE HUNDREDs of NDA with multiple women before and after the "accused" payment. This is the only one in which reached political momentum, was it in fact campaign related or was it because it was intentionally politically driven. The tone I set is that Karen McDougal's NDA and payment was brought into play BUT disappeared into obscurity because McDougal wanted no part in the political world? Stormy on the other hand with Avennati took it to a whole new level. THEY LOST... that sets the tone in the fact was the NDA an ACTUAL violation or was in intentionally used as a political tool intentionally by the plaintiff.

4) What cover up in infidelity terms, NOT a cover up for a Presidential elections ( OR that is currently the job of the prosecution to PROVE) So semantics (yes yes its a cover up) But prosecution wise... was it a personal cover up or a Campaign cover up. That none of us know yet...

5) Same as above.... Wont deny it... I got it I agree.


YES NDA's are LEGAL. SO I have asked this but no one has yield me an answer.

As PUBLIC persona. IF I bound by the NDA.... When I address the public NOT under oath (SO in other words the NDA prohibits me to discuss it) If I am in front of a mic and asked the question the NDA essentially forces me to LIE as I AM BOUND BY IT? NOW if I was under oath under testimony, Then Does that Nullify the NDA and I must speak the truth about it RIGHT?

TRUMP was NEVER under oath when discussing Stormy Daniels. MORE so Lying about it to the public (or denying it per the NDA agreement) Is what he is bound too? CAN anyone answer me this questions. IF Trump Violated the NDA and spoke about in public. Would Stormy have rights to recovery under the NDA disclosure? Of course right because essential he violates the NDA?

Sorry a little off track but I never got a straight answer about HOW that applies to a public person when infront of the cameras like Trump was? HE was bound to lie due to the restrictions to discuss it right?
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5) I am not a lawyer so I can't answer all of your questions about NDAs but I do know that it is a crime to lie under oath

Also, it is important to note that Trump was not a party to the NDAs. Pecker is the one who made them, so the NDAs do not obligate Trump in any way.

You are correct to identify the issue as being whether or not these NDAs were implemented in order to protect Trump's candidacy. However, the "alibi" that this was done to prevent his wife from finding out about his infidelity doesn't pass the smell test.

If he wanted to protect his wife and family, then why didn't he get NDAs BEFORE the women told the media about the affairs?gg
 
Yawn, ad hominem duly noted.

That's exactly what they're doing.

And please, spare me the memetic insults. You'll get further.

Get further where, to hear more of your bitching and moaning about reality? Too bad, suck it up buttercup, or get out and change what you don't like,

But yea, maybe it's just me, but it's not worth that much of a spike of blood pressure to get triggered by rich people, but you keep on doing you.
 
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