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Ringling Bros. Circus to Close After 146 Years[W:30]

There might be ways to do that. Dolphins seem like they enjoy performing. But most of the tricks they do are similar to tricks they do in the wild. I have been to the circus and I find it hard to fathom that elephants enjoyed doing any of that. The same goes for the great cats and the bears. The only animals at the circus who seemed to be enjoying themselves were the dogs in the dog acts. But then pleasing humans is what comes naturally to most dogs.

The life in the wild for these animals certainly isn't a picnic. So a balance of some sort should be struck.

Bottom line, if circuses can't financially make it in the market, they shouldn't be.
 
Good. Hopefully those poor animals can live out the rest of their lives in peace.
 
The vast majority of them, yes.

You see no value whatsoever in zoos? I'd think exposing people to animals up close and personal, as opposed to seeing them on tv, would be very beneficial and help the cause of conservationists.
 
It's sad to see an American icon disappear. Nothing lasts forever, I reckon, but it's sad just the same.
 
While I don't take PETA seriously, the Humane Society is not some radical animal rights group and even they said the elephants were mistreated.

But even if they still had the elephants they were still going to end up going out of business. Times change and what people find entertaining changes.
I think you are correct. I also believe it was inevitable.
 
Let me add that we are also, in some ways, smarter as a society. Even if the wild animals were treated well, we know now that it would still be cruel to subject them to a life of a travelling circus. Elephants, for instance, have a natural urge to migrate. They also are very 'family' or 'pack' oriented. Take that away from them and they are pretty miserable. This is why even zoos are cruel when it comes to elephants.

Agree, if people want to see elephants, go to their natural habitat in africa or wherever. Unbelievable that people have such an entitlement to object oh no, bring the elephants to ME!
 
You see no value whatsoever in zoos? I'd think exposing people to animals up close and personal, as opposed to seeing them on tv, would be very beneficial and help the cause of conservationists.

Then go see them in the wild and stop doing things to destroy their habitat
 
Nuh uh. It's perfectly normal to identify as a gender you weren't born with. :rolleyes:

You know you could just be grateful you don't have this problem but no, have to go out of your way to **** on those who do
 
It probably was inevitable. I'm old enough to remember the freak shows which traveled from town to town, they were the first to go. While many people stated they were exploiting these so called freaks, those part of the show made excellent money. In a way because of an ego trip, someone else's morality, they were done away with and deprived a lot of these freaks a means to a livelihood.

PETA and the circus, it does the same thing. PETA may have good intentions, maybe not. But people and animals will be hurt because of this. The Circus had to take real good care of their animals, they were their livelihood. Failure to do so would hurt them in their pocketbooks. PETA is one of those organizations that gets my dander up. There aren't many, but PETA has always rubbed me the wrong way and this is just another rub.

Whatever, the circus was going under which caused the desperate attempt to boost sales by getting rid of the elephants. That didn't work obviously. You can even see the pitiful crowds they played to before the elephants were ditched:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_aIoSJtpdc

Getting rid of elephants probably gave them a revisionist excuse to blame their enemies, but they are no victim. They even sued animal rights groups for the apparent crime of caring about animals too much, and Feld entertainment (owners of disney on ice) could easily afford to keep one unprofitable operation going. They are *choosing* not to

You are also singling out PETA when governments across the country are putting restrictions on animal abuse. If you deny that it's abuse, consider this:

"The announcement comes after years of controversy, litigation and, more recently, legislation. In December, Oakland joined Los Angeles in banning the use of bullhooks, a tool that resembles a fire poker and is used by trainers to control elephants. The company had previously declared that the circus wouldn’t come to those cities once the bans went into effect."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...move-elephants-from-the-ringling-bros-circus/

Yeah, they couldn't use elephants without torture devices

Now finally i want to ask does this (trigger warning):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECspj0daAlE

Look like the claims to genuine concern for elephants by Feld reps like this:
"The resources that had been put toward fighting these legislative activities could be better spent caring for these animals,”

“We’re creating the greatest resource for the preservation of the Asian elephant.”

Or your assumption that they took "real good care of the animals"?
 
It probably was inevitable. I'm old enough to remember the freak shows which traveled from town to town, they were the first to go. While many people stated they were exploiting these so called freaks, those part of the show made excellent money. In a way because of an ego trip, someone else's morality, they were done away with and deprived a lot of these freaks a means to a livelihood.

PETA and the circus, it does the same thing. PETA may have good intentions, maybe not. But people and animals will be hurt because of this. The Circus had to take real good care of their animals, they were their livelihood. Failure to do so would hurt them in their pocketbooks. PETA is one of those organizations that gets my dander up. There aren't many, but PETA has always rubbed me the wrong way and this is just another rub.

The abuses of circus animals over the years is actually pretty well documented. Even if you're not inclined to change your assumption, big animals in little cages isn't exactly optimal.
 
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