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Michael Flynn in frequent contact with Russia's ambassador to U.S.

I don't think it is a big deal that Flynn frequently phoned the Russian Ambassador.

In fact, I hope they are on good terms...when times are tense, the more people on both 'sides' who on good terms..the better in my book.

America is not at war (Cold are otherwise) with Russia...it is not illegal and should not even be suspect that Russians and Americans can be friends.

Now if they were into some illegal/embarrassing activity...that would be different. But that does not seem to be the case here.
 
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apdst said:
Evidence of what?
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What evidence do you have that this is just about peace talks?

Now do you want to type more than one line and actually let us all know why this doesn't bother you? Or do you want to continue to ignore the obvious?
 
ModerateGOP said:
What evidence do you have that this is just about peace talks?

Now do you want to type more than one line and actually let us all know why this doesn't bother you? Or do you want to continue to ignore the obvious?
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What evidence do you have that the peace talks are anymore than that?

Hell, you don't have any proof that the Russian government was directly involved in hacking the DNC.
 
haymarket said:
I will be happy to examine that evidence.
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Soon as you provide evidence of your claims that the peace talks are nothing but a conspiracy. :lamo
 
apdst said:
What evidence do you have that the peace talks are anymore than that?

Hell, you don't have any proof that the Russian government was directly involved in hacking the DNC.
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Well for one I would like to know exactly what peace talks you are talking about.
Secondly, I would like to know why Flynn is talking to Russia so much especially after the sanctions were announced. Why aren't you curious about that?
 
ModerateGOP said:
Well for one I would like to know exactly what peace talks you are talking about.
Secondly, I would like to know why Flynn is talking to Russia so much especially after the sanctions were announced. Why aren't you curious about that?
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The peace talks you linked to in your OP.

Curious? Sure, but I'm going to reserve judgement until we know more. Perhaps you should get of the hate-Trump-train for a few minutes and do the same. At least, until there'svactual proof that the Russian government was directly involved in hacking the DNC. Until you have that, this is nothing but sour grapes.
 
jet57 said:
I don't think that's the point. The point is, while the president is acting in behalf of the US with regard to this hacking business, Trump's people are in contact with Russia...? Something's very wrong in that timing, and who's to say that Flynn wasn't giving Russia reassurances behind our country's back?

Can you just imagine of Obama had done something like this with, say Iran before HE took office? It's just outrageous.
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Trump's people are in contact with Russia? Care to elaborate and provide proof?
 
apdst said:
The peace talks you linked to in your OP.

Curious? Sure, but I'm going to reserve judgement until we know more. Perhaps you should get of the hate-Trump-train for a few minutes and do the same. At least, until there'svactual proof that the Russian government was directly involved in hacking the DNC. Until you have that, this is nothing but sour grapes.
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I am talking about proof of collusion. Not proof of hacking. Good try tho.
 
Fishking said:
Trump's people are in contact with Russia? Care to elaborate and provide proof?
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(chuckle)

Well - it's been right here all along dude: post # 1; ya'know the thread topic?

ModerateGOP said:
One of the worst picks for his cabinent IMO policy wise is General Michael Flynn. Of course, most anybody associated with RTV is a bad egg in my book, so when he first started on the campaign trail for Trump, I didn't like it one bit.

Michael Flynn in frequent contact with Russia's ambassador to U.S. - CBS News

Russian Ambassador Invited Trump Administration to Syria Peace Talks as US Issued Sanctions - ABC News

Trump adviser had five calls with Russian envoy on day of sanctions: sources | Reuters


Top Trump Adviser Talks More Than Once With Russian Ambassador : NPR

Don't believe me? Here's a story from August: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-putin-and-why-russia-today-is-just-like-cnn/

You can't pretend now that it's all nicety nice... But of course the Trump supporters will fail to make the connections staring at them right in the face.
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Jeezus
 
ModerateGOP said:
I am talking about proof of collusion. Not proof of hacking. Good try tho.
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You're going to have to take this in steps. Step 1: proove Russian hacking of the DNC. Until you do cross that hurdle, the succeeding steps are nothing more than hairbrained conspiracy theories.
 
jet57 said:
(chuckle)

Well - it's been right here all along dude: post # 1; ya'know the thread topic?

Jeezus
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Oh...so right out in the open from a retired 3 start general. I thought you meant something that was like worrisome or shady. Gonna be a long 4 years for ya'll if this is what's going to get your panties in a wad.
 
iguanaman said:
And many of us believe too many on the right are hyper-partisan enough to prefer a Russian Stooge as President if that is the only way they can win.
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The post merits re-posting, yes.

Very many on the right who support Trump also support Putin's seizing of Crimea and his dirty war in Ukraine. They also support Putin contributing to the funding of right wing extremist political parties in Nato-EU countries. Marine Le Pen in France comes most immediately to mind, as she has now used her financial and other global political resources to take the lead in the polling for the upcoming election of the president of the republic.

When Putin took over in 2000 he brought all his KGB with him to run the government, to include of course bosses from the GRU which is the former Soviet and still ongoing Russian military intelligence gang.

The Trump presidency with jerks such as Flynn raises serious questions of national security and global stability. We've gone from the Bush-Cheney neocons to the Trump wildman neonuts. These guyz are not all there upstairs. Neither are their fans.
 
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Fishking said:
Oh...so right out in the open from a retired 3 start general. I thought you meant something that was like worrisome or shady. Gonna be a long 4 years for ya'll if this is what's going to get your panties in a wad.
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A three-star general who after he got on the job got ****canned retired because he went all bent out of shape against all of a single religion as the cause of all evil in the world.

You do know Potus Obama fired over a dozen generals and admirals who turned out to be loose cannon in their jobs, to include several four-stars.

Generals and admirals in civilian positions of the government has always been a dubious idea at best. If we don't elect 'em, then in general gon't appoint 'em. Flynn is a classic instance of an Army brass hat with a shiny nose that should never be in a public position of trust.
 
jet57 said:
(chuckle)

Well - it's been right here all along dude: post # 1; ya'know the thread topic?



Jeezus
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Yep, once again the right wing ignores what they don't like and denies what they see that contradicts 'em.

Right wingers boilerplate tactics are to say the poster did not present his case when the case is in fact all over each page of the thread, often as yet again in this instance from the poster's OP.

The right wing can't deal with the facts, the realities, the arguments, do they pretend the facts, the realities, the arguments have not been presented. The right does this as its standard boilerplate posting to any thread they don't like and cannot respond to.

It is the only way they know. It is predictably the rinse and repeat tactic. They fool no one.
 
apdst said:
You're going to have to take this in steps. Step 1: proove Russian hacking of the DNC. Until you do cross that hurdle, the succeeding steps are nothing more than hairbrained conspiracy theories.
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Actually the first step is not proven although highly likely. Second, all of this on top of the fact that Trump actually wanted the Russians to hack a major US Political party seems pretty highly likely that they did. But this collusion could be any number of things that do not actually have anything to do with the hacking. Do you get it yet? I don't know why you think this has to do with the hacking (likely but I never mentioned it). Them talking with Russia perhaps warning them about the sanctions and then promising that they will be lifted in a month is a more likely scenario right? If so, that's collusion!
 
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Fishking said:
Oh...so right out in the open from a retired 3 start general. I thought you meant something that was like worrisome or shady. Gonna be a long 4 years for ya'll if this is what's going to get your panties in a wad.
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How would you feel if Obama colluded with the Iranians or any other middle eastern country in this manner?
 
ModerateGOP said:
How would you feel if Obama colluded with the Iranians or any other middle eastern country in this manner?
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Obama taking a diplomatic route with Iran has been one of the few things I've commended him for. Same thing with Cuba. Unfortunately, he has way undermined that with his neo-McCathyist attitude with Russia. As a country, we need to figure out how to use diplomacy better.
 
Tangmo said:
A three-star general who after he got on the job got ****canned retired because he went all bent out of shape against all of a single religion as the cause of all evil in the world.

You do know Potus Obama fired over a dozen generals and admirals who turned out to be loose cannon in their jobs, to include several four-stars.

Generals and admirals in civilian positions of the government has always been a dubious idea at best. If we don't elect 'em, then in general gon't appoint 'em. Flynn is a classic instance of an Army brass hat with a shiny nose that should never be in a public position of trust.
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No...you don't know wtf you're talking about. He canned a bunch of officers that weren't "yes men". It had nothing to do with them being bad officers. They served the country to a capacity that Obama could never attain.
 
ModerateGOP said:
One of the worst picks for his cabinent IMO policy wise is General Michael Flynn. Of course, most anybody associated with RTV is a bad egg in my book, so when he first started on the campaign trail for Trump, I didn't like it one bit.

Michael Flynn in frequent contact with Russia's ambassador to U.S. - CBS News

Russian Ambassador Invited Trump Administration to Syria Peace Talks as US Issued Sanctions - ABC News

Trump adviser had five calls with Russian envoy on day of sanctions: sources | Reuters


Top Trump Adviser Talks More Than Once With Russian Ambassador : NPR

Don't believe me? Here's a story from August: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-putin-and-why-russia-today-is-just-like-cnn/

You can't pretend now that it's all nicety nice... But of course the Trump supporters will fail to make the connections staring at them right in the face.
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It's part of the job. Flynn is a jerk who probably won't last long, but he's not wrong here.
 
Fishking said:
No...you don't know wtf you're talking about. He canned a bunch of officers that weren't "yes men". It had nothing to do with them being bad officers. They served the country to a capacity that Obama could never attain.
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Right wing baloney so no matter how you slice it, it's still baloney. All you have is the standard boilerplate right wing tripe. The party line. The predictable recitation.

So CinC Obama said what Donald Trump has said many times -- you're fired...


retired-army-gen-david-petraeus-had-an-affair.jpg





These 14 Senior Military Officers Screwed Up Big Time

Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Gregg A. Sturdevant failed to secure his base from a Taliban attack in Afghanistan.

Air Force Maj. Gen. Michael Carey misbehaved on an assignment. Commander, Air Force Global Strike Command. Carey was the man in charge of part of the Air Force’s arsenal of nuclear weapons when he was relieved of command following an investigation into his conduct during a temporary duty assignment.

Marine Corps Maj. Gen. Charles M.M. Gurganus neglected to implement security procedures that would have stopped a Taliban attack in Afghanistan.

Navy Vice Adm. Tim Giardina cheated at poker. Deputy Commander, U.S. Strategic Command, the number two man at the U.S.’s nuclear weapons command was sacked by President Obama himself amid revelations that he used counterfeit poker chips during a card game at a casino in Nebraska.

Retired Army Gen. David Petraeus had an affair. (Something about fingering over classified documents if you might recall.)

Senior Military Officers Who Screwed Up - Business Insider


There are 14 in all not counting the crackpot LTG Flynn who is certain an entire religion is responsible for all evil in the world and against the United States in particular.

= 15

Enough from over there.
 
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