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Congress will consider proposal to raise H-1B minimum wage to $100,000

Lord of Planar said:
I am generally against it to.

The tax would be on each employed work Visa holder, not on the employed citizen, a tax for Hiring them, over a citizen.
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I understand your sentiment, but no.
 
Really, really, dumb idea to discourage H-1B visas especially if you are one of those who believe in Trump's America first. If you really want to put America first you would want American companies to do everything they can to drain technology workers from other countries so that those other countries are deprived of the talent they need to develop or expand their own tech industries.
 
George50 said:
Really, really, dumb idea to discourage H-1B visas especially if you are one of those who believe in Trump's America first. If you really want to put America first you would want American companies to do everything they can to drain technology workers from other countries so that those other countries are deprived of the talent they need to develop or expand their own tech industries.
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Wouldn't work. Countries with way over a billion people can always put together enough talent to compete.
 
George50 said:
Really, really, dumb idea to discourage H-1B visas especially if you are one of those who believe in Trump's America first. If you really want to put America first you would want American companies to do everything they can to drain technology workers from other countries so that those other countries are deprived of the talent they need to develop or expand their own tech industries.
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DifferentDrummr said:
Wouldn't work. Countries with way over a billion people can always put together enough talent to compete.
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It's not about the total number of people, it's about people with the right skills. Other countries have the same problem as we do, they do not have enough skilled people in the tech industry. Every skilled person we can get from another country makes our tech companies stronger and theirs weaker. Eliminate or restrict the number of H-1b visas and you do the opposite. These people are a scarce resource and our tech companies need more than they can get.
 
George50 said:
It's not about the total number of people, it's about people with the right skills. Other countries have the same problem as we do, they do not have enough skilled people in the tech industry. Every skilled person we can get from another country makes our tech companies stronger and theirs weaker. Eliminate or restrict the number of H-1b visas and you do the opposite. These people are a scarce resource and our tech companies need more than they can get.
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Nope. Wrong again. H1-B's are exclusively for journeyman-level tech workers. True geniuses who want to move here will do so on a different class of visa.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
Nope. Wrong again. H1-B's are exclusively for journeyman-level tech workers. True geniuses who want to move here will do so on a different class of visa.
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I don't think that is correct, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor's degree or its equivalent. There is also a cap on the number allowed and laws exempt up to 20,000 foreign nationals holding a master's or higher degree from U.S. universities from the cap on H-1B visas. So instead of being reserved exclusively for journeyman-level tech workers, the law actually specifically encourages those with a master's or doctorate degree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa
 
George50 said:
So how does it work?
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Depends on the company. Microstrategy, a former employer of mine, would hire H1B from India and China primarily because those countries had extremely low relative salaries compared to the US so they could hire who they needed for half what they would pay an American.

In neither China or India could hiring H1Bs put a dent in the skilled manpower reserves of either country. There were 236,000 H1B applications total in 2016 and even if 100% were approved and all of them came from China there would still be no shortage of skilled workers in China, same goes for India. And in neither case is H1B used as a way of damaging a foreign country. If anything these foreign countries only benefit from their citizens earning high salaries (compared to their home country) and sending part of their earnings home.
 
jmotivator said:
Depends on the company. Microstrategy, a former employer of mine, would hire H1B from India and China primarily because those countries had extremely low relative salaries compared to the US so they could hire who they needed for half what they would pay an American.

In neither China or India could hiring H1Bs put a dent in the skilled manpower reserves of either country. There were 236,000 H1B applications total in 2016 and even if 100% were approved and all of them came from China there would still be no shortage of skilled workers in China, same goes for India. And in neither case is H1B used as a way of damaging a foreign country. If anything these foreign countries only benefit from their citizens earning high salaries (compared to their home country) and sending part of their earnings home.
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Sorry, but I just don't get it. Why is it a problem now when Silicon Valley unemployment is at an all time low?
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jmotivator said:
Depends on the company. Microstrategy, a former employer of mine, would hire H1B from India and China primarily because those countries had extremely low relative salaries compared to the US so they could hire who they needed for half what they would pay an American.

In neither China or India could hiring H1Bs put a dent in the skilled manpower reserves of either country. There were 236,000 H1B applications total in 2016 and even if 100% were approved and all of them came from China there would still be no shortage of skilled workers in China, same goes for India. And in neither case is H1B used as a way of damaging a foreign country. If anything these foreign countries only benefit from their citizens earning high salaries (compared to their home country) and sending part of their earnings home.
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I think chinese kids take their education more seriously than Americans do

I could be mistaken but I believe China graduates 10 times as many engineers as America does.

And I am pretty certain they have that many more English as a second language speakers in China than we have chinese as a second language speakers here
 
Mac77 said:
I think chinese kids take their education more seriously than Americans do

I could be mistaken but I believe China graduates 10 times as many engineers as America does.

And I am pretty certain they have that many more English as a second language speakers in China than we have chinese as a second language speakers here
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I think you are correct on your first and third points, on the second, I don't think anyone knows because China does not provide accurate information. Looking at comparisons, they are excluded due to lack of info. If they do have 10 times as many graduates, we may be OK because that's only a recent phenomenon, but in the long run, we are screwed if they are graduating engineers at a rate 10 times ours. Since we have a shortage, all the more reason to grab all we can when we can since that's what the future will be built on.
 
George50 said:
I don't think that is correct, the foreign worker must possess at least a bachelor's degree or its equivalent. There is also a cap on the number allowed and laws exempt up to 20,000 foreign nationals holding a master's or higher degree from U.S. universities from the cap on H-1B visas. So instead of being reserved exclusively for journeyman-level tech workers, the law actually specifically encourages those with a master's or doctorate degree.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H-1B_visa
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Hate to break this to you, but journeyman-level jobs in technology DO require bachelor's degrees.

People with doctorates and noted accomplishments in their fields don't need the H1-B. As I said earlier, they have an easier time with different visa classes.
 
George50 said:
Yes, and demand is higher than supply, we need more or China is going to eat our lunch in the long run.

Or we could just ban all immigrants and get rid of all the Nobel Prize winners. That seems to be what a lot of people want to do.

Amid debate, all 2016 American Nobel laureates are immigrants:

Amid debate, all 2016 American Nobel laureates are immigrants | TheHill
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There is no shortage: you've been drinking the koolaid.

This bit from a well-respected tech journalist's blog should explain:

ServiceMaster is the other former IBM customer I know about in Memphis. Among its many beefs with IBM, ServiceMaster also had a server monitoring issue. In this case it was the company’s main database that was going unmonitored. IBM was supposed to be monitoring the servers, they were paid for monitoring the servers, but in fact IBM didn’t really monitor anything and instead relied on help desk trouble tickets to tell it when there was a problem. If you think about it this is exactly the way IBM was handling server problems at Hilton, too.

Now to the part about labor economics.

When ServiceMaster announced its decision to cancel its contract with IBM and to in-source a new IT team, the company had to find 200 solid IT people immediately. Memphis is a small community and there can’t be that many skilled IT workers there, right? ServiceMaster held a job fair one Saturday and over 1000 people attended. They talked to them all, invited the best back for second interviews, and two weeks later ServiceMaster had a new IT department. The company is reportedly happy with the new department whose workers are probably more skilled and more experienced than the IBMers they are replacing.

Where, again, is that IT labor shortage? Apparently not in Memphis.
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DifferentDrummr said:
Wouldn't work. Countries with way over a billion people can always put together enough talent to compete.
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Particularly if talented people, even ones of limited means, can get the training that they need to develop that talent. The real wealth of a nation lies in the citizenry and what it can or can't do. That's why education is of paramount importance to making any nation "first" or at least first world.

Meanwhile, tuition just keeps going up and up and up.
 
DifferentDrummr said:
There is no shortage: you've been drinking the koolaid.

This bit from a well-respected tech journalist's blog should explain:



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One example from more than 5 years ago in a tech backwater like Memphis is meaningless when the problem is today in the tech hotspots that are driving innovation.
 
George50 said:
One example from more than 5 years ago in a tech backwater like Memphis is meaningless when the problem is today in the tech hotspots that are driving innovation.
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They have no problem at all. I've lived in Silicon Valley nearly all my life. How about you?
 
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