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Chinese tabloid says U.S. needs to 'wage war' to block off South China Sea islands

Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Your about two or three decades too late then because america has been disregarding such laws since the 1980's.
Of Course China, Like All Great Powers, Will Ignore an International Legal Verdict | The Diplomat

I have heard these allegations quite often and checked some out in detail from time to time. What I have found was that you are wrong more or less.

But if you are right, it is even more necessary to act with overwhelming violence.

As I said, it would be better to get the UN to move, so that a war can be evaded.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

I have heard these allegations quite often and checked some out in detail from time to time. What I have found was that you are wrong more or less.

But if you are right, it is even more necessary to act with overwhelming violence.

As I said, it would be better to get the UN to move, so that a war can be evaded.

And you guys called Hillary a war mongerer? She ain't got nothing on you war hawks.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Looks already like the Trump Train needs to get all its cars hooked up together as one lest the bunch of 'em become sprawled and spaced out along the tracks. Potus-Elect Trump needs to say something here and now that is clarifying, although most of what Trump says only confuses himself too. Tillerson looks to be equally befuddled and befuddling.

I myself have believed for a long time a US naval and air blockade of the Mainland CCP China from the South China Sea is an excellent idea. A blockade is in fact the only way to stop 'em.

We already got wars going on in the Middle East, we don't need a large scale war with China. How many war fronts are we supposed to maintain?
 
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And you guys called Hillary a war mongerer? She ain't got nothing on you war hawks.

I don't think Clinton would be a good President, but thinking she is a "war monger" is rather off the wall.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

We already got wars going on in the Middle East, we don't need a large scale war with China. How many war fronts are we supposed to maintain?

The trick is going to be persuading the world that the UN should do the peacemaking and reign in aggressive behavior against populations like Assad's or land grabs like in Ukraine or the China Sea with the island building.

These things will lead to nuclear war with certainty, if let develop as the autarchies want. Personally, I think a nuclear exchange should be avoided, if possible.

PS: does anyone know how many expulsions are required for a decent nuclaer winter to stop humanity?
 
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I don't think Clinton would be a good President, but thinking she is a "war monger" is rather off the wall.

She is simply reckless.

Rice had made amazing strides with Qaddafi, then the bitch Hillary convinced Obamba to lob 112 cruise missiles into Libya insuring defeat in a civil war, where the terrorists won.

Please remind us.

What was the congressional vote for that action?
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Oh...

I meant to ask why anyone is considering a tabloid story as real?
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

She is simply reckless.

Rice had made amazing strides with Qaddafi, then the bitch Hillary convinced Obamba to lob 112 cruise missiles into Libya insuring defeat in a civil war, where the terrorists won.

Please remind us.

What was the congressional vote for that action?

You are right that Clinton was out of her depths at State.

Did you mean Condoleezza?
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Japan needs to be encourage to revamp its navy.


Japan has four huge ships now that are helicopter ships but that happen to be the exact size and shape of aircraft carriers. Fancy that. Today a helicopter ship, tomorrow aircraft carriers.

U.S. Naval War College assessment is that while the PLA Navy is superior to the Japan Maritine Self-Defense Force (Navy) in tonnage and number of ships, the JMSDF is far superior to the PLA Navy. It has superior quality ships, superior naval personnel in education going into the navy, high quality naval commanders, a program of training at sea which far exceeds the PLA Navy.

"Japan has the strongest navy and air force in Asia except for the United States," Dr. Larry M. Wortzel, the president of Asia Strategies and Risks, said in a presentation at the Institute of World Politics last September.

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Japan's Master Plan to Defeat China in a War | The National Interest


Japan MSDF has a learned history of naval warfare, equal submarine capabilities, far superior antisubmarine warfare capabilities, greater in firepower. As with the Japanese Navy's success in 1905 when it sank the Czar's Russian Navy Fleet, Japan on another good day could send the PLA Navy to the bottom.

If Japan's Navy could do it on a good day, imagine what the USN could do before lunch. Before morning smoke break in fact.


Keeping hubris in mind however...

By James R. Holmes, Professor of Strategy and the History of Diplomacy, U.S. Naval War College
June 20, 2016

China’s built a fortress fleet to operationalize its A2/AD ambitions. How can the U.S. and her allies counter this?

Defeating China?s Fortress Fleet and A2/AD Strategy: Lessons for the United States and Her Allies | The Diplomat
 
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You are right that Clinton was out of her depths at State.

Did you mean Condoleezza?

Yes, Condi did a great job With Qaddafi.
 
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Yes, Condi did a great job With Qaddafi.

Well, she should have. She was intelligent, excellently educated and honest.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Oh...

I meant to ask why anyone is considering a tabloid story as real?


It is the publication in print and online in Chinese and in English of the Chinese Communist Party.

FYI: the People's Republic of China is wholly owned and operated by the Chinese Communist Party.

We're not talking about your Daily Mirror here or Murdoch's New York Post.


Hillary Clinton btw is a private citizen so let's try to move on to the thread and its topic, which are Potus-Elect Donald Trump, his prospective SecState Rex Tillerson and the South China Sea. Random thoughts might go better elsewhere.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Since the Nixon-Kissinger presidency the United States does not recognize claims of territorial sovereignty that are in dispute. Not anywhere in the world. Not unless a U.S. treaty obligation exists to one (or more) of the disputing foreign governments.

So in the South China Sea, the U.S. recognizes no government's claim of sovereignty. It's up to those governments to sort out themselves. The UN Treaty on the International Law of the Sea makes no determinations in claims of disputed sovereignty either. It's entirely up to the disputant governments to settle.

So the issue for the U.S. in the SCS is excessive territorial claims.

The U.S. has cussed out every country involved in the SCS disputes on the basis of excessive territorial claims -- only excessive territorial claims. Washington has consistently criticized and called on governments over several years to knock off the grabby stuff, to include not only Beijing, but also Vietnam, Malaysia, Brunei, Philippines and even Taiwan. All of it in the SCS.

Conversely, in the East Sea, Washington took a firm stand in support of the Japanese sovereignty assertions over the Senkaku Islands near Taiwan which CCP Dictators claim as their own under Chinese sovereignty. USA said no, Beijing does not have sovereignty over the Senkakus, and that Japan has the sovereignty. Washington included the Senkakus to Japan in the US-Japan Mutual Defense Treaty implemented in the early 1950s. To the United States, the Senkakus are included in Japanese sovereignty under the treaty. End of.

CCP Boyz in Beijing had pushed the Senkakus issue from 2009 into 2013 using paramilitary fishing fleets against Japanese and also USN ships until Washington put its foot down in the matter. Pentagon flew a couple of B-52 unarmed nuclear capable bombers around and things there have gone quiet since.

There always comes a time when you have to grab these CCP guys in Beijing by their lapels to give 'em a good shaking. Slamming 'em a good one up against a wall and getting right in their face doesn't hurt either.

Right. Not! 1.4 trillion people in China. Nuclear capable. On their turf. You are talking about USA hegemony in the South China Sea. Oh, by the way, it's the same South China Sea that the war in Vietnam was fought to try to get control of those same OIL resources.
 
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We're not talking about your Daily Mirror here or Murdoch's New York Post.

Link please.

When have I ever used an unscrupulous link?

Your ignorant assumptions are a bright picture of your credibility!
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

That's nuts. We don't need to get in a war with China over some rocks in the South China Sea, especially if our so-called allies are asserting claims while hiding under their own rocks. We should just do what we're doing: Let them build, but continue to sail in the region and don't recognize their claims of sovereignty.

More sabre rattling in the post Obama world. I seriously doubt China wants to go to War. It's people, along with citizens in other countries, are more interested in prosperous futures, than the gamesmanship played out in the international game of political chess.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

The PLA run Global Times tabloid daily newspaper said the United States under a Potus Donald Trump would need to "wage a large scale war" against China if Trump wanted to try to prevent China taking control of existing or artificial islands it is constructing across the South China Sea.

The lunatic editorial said Washington would need to "bone up" on its nuclear strategies if it acted militarily with its armed forces against the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in the South China Sea.

The Global Times is part of the People's Daily CCP mass indoctrination media.


Chinese tabloid says U.S. needs to 'wage war' to block off South China Sea islands

Reuters - ‎Jan 11, 2017‎

Blocking Chinese access to islands in the South China Sea would require the U.S. to "wage war", an influential Chinese state-run tabloid said on Friday, after U.S. Secretary of State nominee Rex Tillerson suggested the strategy on Wednesday.

Tillerson told his confirmation hearing before the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee that he wanted to send a signal to China that their access to islands in the disputed South China Sea "is not going to be allowed". He did not elaborate.

The United States would have to "wage a large-scale war" in the South China sea to prevent Chinese access to the islands, the Global Times said in an English language editorial. The paper, which is known for writing strongly-worded, hawkish and nationalist editorials, is published by the ruling Communist Party's flagship paper. It does not reflect Chinese policy.

"Tillerson had better bone up on nuclear power strategies if he wants to force a big nuclear power to withdraw from its own territories," the paper added.


Chinese tabloid says U.S. needs to 'wage war' to block off South China Sea islands | Reuters



While the word "blockade" has begun to appear in some global media and in the responses by military and diplomatic officials, others have said Tillerson may have misspoke when he said to "deny access" to the islands CCP Dictator-Tyrants have built on shallow reefs. In other instances, CCP have seized by force some existing islands in the EEZ areas of other nations that border the sea, such as Vietnam and the Philippines. (Exclusive Economic Zone)


By the Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Donald Trump's pick to lead the State Department has stoked confusion over the U.S.'s South China Sea policy by appearing to advocate a blockade of Chinese man-made islands.

A person familiar with deliberations inside the Trump transition team was aware of no such planning, raising the likelihood that Rex Tillerson misspoke Wednesday at his Senate confirmation hearing for secretary of state. The individual was not authorized to speak on the record and demanded anonymity.

An opinion piece in the state-run China Daily strongly criticized the former Exxon Mobil CEO, accusing him of "undisguised animosity toward China...As many have observed, it would set a course for devastating confrontation between China and the U.S.," said the piece in the newspaper's U.S. edition.

At his confirmation hearing for defense secretary on Thursday, retired Gen. James Mattis said China's militarization of the South China Sea posed a threat to global order.

But Mattis was less combative than Tillerson. Asked about the oil man's comments, Mattis said the U.S. needed an integrated government approach to avoid an incomplete or incoherent strategy. He emphasized the importance of freedom of commerce and nurturing U.S. alliances in the region.

News from The Associated Press


Looks already like the Trump Train needs to get all its cars hooked up together as one lest the bunch of 'em become sprawled and spaced out along the tracks. Potus-Elect Trump needs to say something here and now that is clarifying, although most of what Trump says only confuses himself too. Tillerson looks to be equally befuddled and befuddling.

I myself have believed for a long time a US naval and air blockade of the Mainland CCP China from the South China Sea is an excellent idea. A blockade is in fact the only way to stop 'em.

If it's true that 10 out of 11 of the US Navy's aircraft carriers are in port for a maintenance project that is likely to take long months, the US is rather limited on how it can project its power in that region, assuming the maintenance project will correct the problem experienced by the USS Donald Cook last year or two.
 
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More sabre rattling in the post Obama world. I seriously doubt China wants to go to War. It's people, along with citizens in other countries, are more interested in prosperous futures, than the gamesmanship played out in the international game of political chess.

How else, besides a military intervention, are you going to stop China in the South China Sea? They aren't sabre rattling, they are telling the truth. If the U.S. tries to blockade military exercises that is just inviting a war. If the U.S. tries to go to the U.N., Russia will veto (Russia's annex of Crimea as an example of why they would veto).

So what other ways are there to stop China from being in the South China Seas islands?
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

No.

Calm down. False hysteria is detrimental in the extreme.

Blockade CCP Dictators military activities only in the South China Sea. CCP military activities only to its seized existing islands and to its newly constructed artificial islands on shallow reefs. Commercial activities are not targeted, intended or subjected to an exclusive blockade of military stuff only and nothing else.

Blockade military activities only in the South China Sea. Only military activities. Military only. Got it?

Because if the CCP Dictator-Tyrants in Beijing gain control of the SCS they will be in a position they will take advantage of -- absolutely. That is, to control the flow of the annual $5 Trillion of commerce that transits the international shipping lanes of the SCS. The shipping includes all ME oil to Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, the ten countries of the Association of SouthEast Asia Nations that border the SCS; Australia/NZ.

Blockade military activities only. Only military activities. Got it??

Anyone who might think the USN and USAF are not capable or competent would be wrong. He should speak up now however if he might think this to be the case, so he can be corrected.

The world knows it cannot afford or allow the South China Sea and its global commons under the UN Treaty on the International Law of the Sea to become a Chinese Lake.

Using military force to 'blockade' military activity is an act of war. Got it? I do not know if the US Navy and Air Force are ready for a war with China. Do you?

You last sentence speaks on behalf of the 'the world'. I rather think 'the world' might no look kindly on the US sinking Chinese ships.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

Using military force to 'blockade' military activity is an act of war. Got it? I do not know if the US Navy and Air Force are ready for a war with China. Do you?

You last sentence speaks on behalf of the 'the world'. I rather think 'the world' might no look kindly on the US sinking Chinese ships.

I don't think there is a way to stop them from building. However, I think consideration should be given to why they are doing so.

I don't profess to be anything approaching an expert on the issue.

This article I found may do a better job detailing the issues.

What?s Really Behind China?s Island Building? | The National Interest Blog

Again, IMO, citizens don't want War. China is playing political hard ball. Nothing new.
 
Re: China editorial: U.S. needs to 'wage large scale war' to stop island building

The legal case is over and found against China to my memory. China said it did not care.

If a state of open disregard of international law develops, there will almost certainly be a nuclear war within two or three decades.

And your answer is to not wait and start one now? Brilliant!
 
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