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Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him

Mr Person said:
I don't see anything in the source about private requests by the Trump team to specifically hack Hillary's emails or anything like that.
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Private requests? He asked them to do it on live TV at a press conference.

"Russia, if you're listening..."
 
Greenbeard said:
Private requests? He asked them to do it on live TV at a press conference.

"Russia, if you're listening..."
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Eh, I stand by post #13.



I suspect he did it without thinking. It wasn't a serious offer. And that's one of the scariest things about this clown: he doesn't stop to think before running his mouth.

In ordinary life, that makes you look like a fool. When you're the U.S. President, you can get people killed.
 
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Redress said:
I am guessing you are wrong. I consider Russian hacking to be a major issue, not for who was hacked, but that it happened. I also believe that we have to make strong efforts to discourage such activities. Thanks for trying to make what should be nonpartisan into something partisan. Shows what is more important to you...
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Can't say I believe you. We will see though.
 
Mr Person said:
I suspect he did it without thinking. It wasn't a serious offer. And that's one of the scariest things about this clown: he doesn't stop to think before running his mouth.
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Not sure I follow. You said: "I have a hard time believing he really would literally ask the Russian to hack us to benefit himself."

Yet you watched him do it publicly. And you explain it away as not "a serious offer." Amazing the passes this guy gets for his actions.
 
Greenbeard said:
Private requests? He asked them to do it on live TV at a press conference.

"Russia, if you're listening..."
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EnigmaO01 said:
You beat me to that one. LOL
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I said it in my OP
"..This could explain Trump's refusal to condemn the Russian Hacks, indeed he bizarrely asked for more out loud.."​

The issue now ie, was his campaign also coordinating With the Russians on the QT.
I wouldn't put it past him.... or Comrade Manafort who already had the contacts, or Cory.
 
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mbig said:
I said it in my OP
"..This could explain Trump's refusal to condemn the Russian Hacks, indeed he bizarrely asked for more out loud.."​

The issue now was his campaign coordinating With the Russian on the QT.
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He doesn't just refuse to condemn the hacks, he refuses to condemn anything. Including the murder of journalists.

He's had a bizarre aversion to saying anything remotely critical or negative about Putin all along. To the point that it was noticeable and puzzling. It's starting to make more sense now.
 
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apdst said:
If this is actual compromising, it will destroy the, "Trump-Putin", conspiracy theory being parrotted by the Libbos.
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Did you read the article?

Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him - CNNPolitics.com

The two-page synopsis also included allegations that there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between Trump surrogates and intermediaries for the Russian government, according to two national security officials.
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Greenbeard said:
He doesn't just refuse to condemn the hacks, he refuses to condemn anything. Including the murder of journalists.

He's had a bizarre aversion to saying anything remotely critical or negative about Putin all along. To the point that it was noticeable and puzzling. It's starting to make more sense now.
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1/5/17
http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...ld-trump-plans-revamp-top-u-s-spy-agency.html

mbig said:
It just keeps getting Creepier, Crazier... Traitorous.
He's in denial about everything all Our intelligence agencies are telling him.
So he's going to 'reorganize' them, perhaps cut "Bloated" Intelligence.
('Intelligence' and Trump are pretty contradictory in IAC)

So it's?
1. He feels that the Russian Hacks delegitimize his victory and he wants the the truth stopped.
But his Man-Crush on Putin even pre-dates the Wikileaks affair, so other possibilities are..
2. 70 year old Donald Trump doesn't doesn't seem what Russia is, or who Putin is.
3. He has some Financial Conflict of Interest/Business dealings... (let's have the Tax Returns or financial disclosure please.)
4. Vlady has something on him. Kremlin Hotel 'Trysts' on Tape?
5. Trumpov is just plain crazy.

Donald Trump Plans Revamp of Top U.S. Spy Agency
President-elect works on restructuring Office of the Director of National Intelligence, tweets again his doubts that Russia hacked Democrats
By........
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Smelled it.
 
Here is a description of the story and an 11 minute and 32 second of the CNN breaking story that is the subject of mbig's OP.

According to CNN two separate intelligence sources, both credible, contacted the FBI and another contacted Sen. McCain, at different dates and locations and presented information that they found concerning. CNN said that while the sources are reliable, one was former MI-6, the FBI is now investigating the information to assess its credibility.
 
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Redress said:
Not to mention that if Putin has info on Trump, and did not release it, that would actually be evidence of Putin supporting Trump. Saying this "destroys" the theory is the exact opposite of the truth.
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To be 100% honest, I'm starting to doubt the Putin-Trump alliance myself. However, unlike apdst, it's for reasons I can actually discuss beyond 2 sentences. I believe that the long game is what we're missing. Putin is a former KGB agent who saw his country fall apart for 20 years. The USSR simply collapsed around Putin and he couldn't have been immune to the suffering of the Russian people under corrupt governments that bent over backwards to please the international community in the 90s.

My intuition tells me that for Putin, support for Trump comes as a result of wanting to purposely throw Americans into a spiral by first supporting Trump, and then slowly releasing information on him to discredit him. In an admission I was wrong about how brilliant a move it was for Democrats to purposely prop Trump up, it almost seems like they played right into the hands of the Russians.

Oh well, I always have Sint Maarten.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Some dickwad Democratic lawmaker here in NH is introducing a bill to prevent the import and sale of Russian vodka in our state liquor stores. There go my excellent Bloody Marys.
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Ehhh, French/Dutch/Polish/Sweedish vodka is just as good, and in many cases even better.
 
mbig said:
I think you're missing the point.
These requests were/May have also been made privately in a Coordinated effort.
Russian Hackers had their way with Our election, and may 'own' our new President.
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So we are just making things up and claiming them as facts now. Seems like an honest way to go about it.
 
braindrain said:
So we are just making things up and claiming them as facts now. Seems like an honest way to go about it.
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I'm no mind reader, but it seems like the use of the word 'may' indicates he's not entirely sure that's what happened but there is a possibility.

For example, if I say 'I may buy you a book in reading comprehension', I'm not saying I will - but there is a possibility that it will happen.

Understandably though, it may be hard to find anyone who understands the poster to the degree where they can write a whole book on the subject.

So you're safe.
 
I so wish our intelligence agencies hadn't been compromised and politicized under the Obama Administration.

Clapper has been caught in more than one lie. Comey has shown himself to be compromised over his handling of Clinton's investigation.

That dump of more documents on Clinton's server/emails on a Friday evening during the Giants and Packers game was not by accident.

Several say in those emails is the smoking gun and make Comey look absolutely in full error in dismissing Clinton's actions.

So much so don't be surprised to see Obama pardon Clinton before leaving office.

It explains why Democrats in Session's hearing today were well focused on Session as AG recusing himself if Cliinton is to be prosecuted. You see the Dems know the evidence is very damning for Clinton.

Sorry, I look at everything coming out of our Intelligence communities as skeptical because of their previous actions.

I will take a wait and see approach.
 
mbig said:
Here is what I gleaned from watching CNN in the last 20 minutes:

Apparently there were TWO parts to the briefings given last week.
The second known to only 10 people. Pres/Pres-elect: the 8 Congressional leaders.
This second was beyond the well known Russian Influence hacking of the Democatic party.
But has now breaking out into the open.

Apparently the Russians Claim:
1. The they have Compromising info on Trump personally and financially.
(I joked/intimated about 'Kremlin Hilton Trysts' and 'Russian Loans' a few days ago)
2. There were ongoing contacts between the Trump campaign/surrogates and the Russians.​

These are said to be very reliable but Uncorroborated as of yet.
The FBI will neither confirm nor deny they are investigating. IOW, they are.
This could explain Trump's refusal to condemn the Russian Hacks, indeed he bizarrely asked for more out loud.

Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him
Intel chiefs presented Trump with claims of Russian efforts to compromise him - CNNPolitics.com
By Evan Perez, Jim Sciutto, Jake Tapper and Carl Bernstein, CNN
Updated 5:15 PM ET, Tue January 10, 2017
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The Twitter feed has #goldenshowers trending. I'll let you all figure out how that fits in with the compromising situations discussed in the report. Talk about a leak. :)

Hint: PeeTUS
 
braindrain said:
So we are just making things up and claiming them as facts now. Seems like an honest way to go about it.
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Yes..
I made it up.
CNN Made it up
Our intelligence agencies made it up.
Even worse than a Trump coordination with the Russians, would be the millions of the Partisan Goons defending him from the obvious. (as they did for more than 6 months)
So partisan they are unable to be reasoned with. They think it's a Hockey game and they root for their team no matter what.
Conspiracy, Misogyny, Molestations, Stupidity, Insults, Bigotry, 10,000 Lies... No problem.
 
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Hatuey said:
To be 100% honest, I'm starting to doubt the Putin-Trump alliance myself.
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"Alliance" doesn't seem quite right. All we know is that: 1) Putin clearly wanted Trump to win, and 2) Trump is obviously afraid to anger Putin in any way.
 
Hatuey said:
I'm no mind reader, but it seems like the use of the word 'may' indicates he's not entirely sure that's what happened but there is a possibility.

For example, if I say 'I may buy you a book in reading comprehension', I'm not saying I will - but there is a possibility that it will happen.

Understandably though, it may be hard to find anyone who understands the poster to the degree where they can write a whole book on the subject.

So you're safe.
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When you add in the words were as well as stating that the Russians had their way with our election it's pretty clear he is trying to play it off as a fact despite the fact he has no evidence for it.
 
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Hatuey said:
To be 100% honest, I'm starting to doubt the Putin-Trump alliance myself. However, unlike apdst, it's for reasons I can actually discuss beyond 2 sentences. I believe that the long game is what we're missing. Putin is a former KGB agent who saw his country fall apart for 20 years. The USSR simply collapsed around Putin and he couldn't have been immune to the suffering of the Russian people under corrupt governments that bent over backwards to please the international community in the 90s.

My intuition tells me that for Putin, support for Trump comes as a result of wanting to purposely throw Americans into a spiral by first supporting Trump, and then slowly releasing information on him to discredit him. In an admission I was wrong about how brilliant a move it was for Democrats to purposely prop Trump up, it almost seems like they played right into the hands of the Russians.

Oh well, I always have Sint Maarten.
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I have never bought into an alliance between the two. I do think, based on the evidence presented, believe Russia worked to influence the election via illegal means. I can also believe they have information on most all major players in US politics. As far as the alliance, while I consider it unlikely, this story does not work against such a scenario. That was my whole point.

And looking at Putin's motives, they seem to me to be to expand Russia geographically, politically, and in influence. He will not let anything get in the way of that. Since to do that means taking away from us our are allies, Russia is perforce our enemy. Not that we are at war, but that we are working at conflicting goals.
 
braindrain said:
When you add in the words were as well as stating that the Russians had their way with our election it's pretty clear he is trying to play it off as a fact despite the fact he has no evidence for it.
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They did get what they wanted in spite of the opposition to it. The opposition was, as I hear it, the left. The Russians got the guy they were cheering for and seemed to be -- if the CNN article is correct -- trading information with his surrogates.
 
mbig said:
Yes..
I made it up.
CNN Made it up
Our intelligence agencies made it up.
Even worse than a Trump coordination with the Russians, would be the millions of the Partisan Goons defending him from the obvious. (as they did for more than 6 months)
So partisan they are unable to be reasoned with. They think it's a Hockey game and they root four their team no matter what.
Misogyny, Molestations, Insults, Bigotry, 10,000 Lies... No problem.
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So then you have evidence that Trump sent a private request to Russia asking for them to hack the emails as you claimed happened. Why didn't you just say so. How about you link to that evidence.
 
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Hatuey said:
To be 100% honest, I'm starting to doubt the Putin-Trump alliance myself. However, unlike apdst, it's for reasons I can actually discuss beyond 2 sentences. I believe that the long game is what we're missing. Putin is a former KGB agent who saw his country fall apart for 20 years. The USSR simply collapsed around Putin and he couldn't have been immune to the suffering of the Russian people under corrupt governments that bent over backwards to please the international community in the 90s.

My intuition tells me that for Putin, support for Trump comes as a result of wanting to purposely throw Americans into a spiral by first supporting Trump, and then slowly releasing information on him to discredit him. In an admission I was wrong about how brilliant a move it was for Democrats to purposely prop Trump up, it almost seems like they played right into the hands of the Russians.

Oh well, I always have Sint Maarten.
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It was just a few years ago that Trump, Jr. said in an interview that most of the money supporting Trump's businesses came from Russia. Russian money just pours in, he said.

In addition, nothing major happens in Russia without Putin's approval. Putin is said to be a billionaire many times over. I don't know if that is true about Putin but Russian oligarchs are. Putin is a dictator. Oligarchs made billions with Putin's approval not in spite of him.

Look into Bayrock and Trump Soho, how that came about, who was involved, where the money came from, and how Trump was best buds with Russians and former Soviets until things went south. At that point Trump is quoted a number of times saying that he'd only met his partners a couple of times, didn't know them and wouldn't recognize them if they were in the same room.

Russian oligarchs used Trump Soho to launder money. That wasn't the only deal Trump worked with them on. It is not unreasonable to suspect that just like the mafia Putin gave Trump enough rope to hang himself. Has Putin called in his debts?

Thing one: This is serious stuff and could well mean that Trump is compromised and/or can be. Trump is in a tight situation because if he comes to Jesus about everything it could sent him to jail, cause him to lose everything he owns, cost him the presidency.

Thing two: We certainly don't know what all they have on Trump and I'd be surprised that the FBI has informed Trump of everything it has. It could all be pap and drivel - we don't know. That is all the more reason why Trump's cabinet must be vetted to the hilt before they are voted and confirmed. It is critical. Certainly with this story breaking Tillerson chances at being confirmed are probably zero and should be.
 
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Our whole damn country had compromising evidence on Donald Trump for the last 15 months and they still voted for him. This would have to be really bad to matter. I honestly can't think of a thing that would be at all surprising.
 
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