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Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘vaccin

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vash1012 said:
If you are still a vaccine skeptic at this point, you haven't been paying attention to the research and controversy or you are more accurately called a denier. There is no other position. It's probably the clearest risk to benefit ratio in medicine. - From a Pharmacist
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I have 3 kids, and I never gave it a moments' thought. The science has not proven any link between vaccinations and autism, and it's foolish not to vaccinate your kids. RFK is as you describe a denier. I know Trump is, or at least was, one as well. This is scary stuff.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
And further, if there IS a problem with the massive amount of vaccinations forced on kids these days--and there are a number of medical professionals including doctors that I know who are worried about it--who better to spearhead a research group to study it than somebody who is skeptical of vaccines? People who are already in favor of all those vaccines aren't likely to do much to find a reason not to believe, but they would be able to challenge any results disfavoring the vaccines. Meanwhile a true skeptic would look at any contra indications along with studies done by the believers. But all the data will receive honest consideration and we would all be better informed of the truth whatever that is.

It's sort of like putting only scientists who are believers or who receive funding to promote AGW in charge of all the research to research anthropomorphic global warming. I would rather have a true skeptic heading the study group because then we could be sure all the data will receive honest consideration.

In 1980, one out of every 2000 kids was diagnosed with autism. Now it is like one out of every 150. Something is causing that and I for one very much want to find out what it is.
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Sorry, I have to disagree. Tinfoil hatters don't give "honest consideration" to "all the data."
 
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AlbqOwl said:
And further, if there IS a problem with the massive amount of vaccinations forced on kids these days--and there are a number of medical professionals including doctors that I know who are worried about it--who better to spearhead a research group to study it than somebody who is skeptical of vaccines? People who are already in favor of all those vaccines aren't likely to do much to find a reason not to believe, but they would be able to challenge any results disfavoring the vaccines. Meanwhile a true skeptic would look at any contra indications along with studies done by the believers. But all the data will receive honest consideration and we would all be better informed of the truth whatever that is.

It's sort of like putting only scientists who are believers or who receive funding to promote AGW in charge of all the research to research anthropomorphic global warming. I would rather have a true skeptic heading the study group because then we could be sure all the data will receive honest consideration.

In 1980, one out of every 2000 kids was diagnosed with autism. Now it is like one out of every 150. Something is causing that and I for one very much want to find out what it is.
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So you didn't believe the 10 or so official research studies already completed and already funded by the CDC that show no autism link to vaccines?
 
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Deuce said:
Because it's the 21st century and we're not a stupid nation.

Do you think we're a stupid nation?
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So, you want the government to have the authority to force citizens to be given whatever vaccination they see fit?

What could could go wrong? **** all that freedom and liberty ****!
 
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tres borrachos said:
I have 3 kids, and I never gave it a moments' thought. The science has not proven any link between vaccinations and autism, and it's foolish not to vaccinate your kids. RFK is as you describe a denier. I know Trump is, or at least was, one as well. This is scary stuff.
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The anti-intellectualism in the modern GOP runs very strong. Give me the name of a Trump supporter, and I'll find a prominent position of theirs where the overwhelming majority of the academic world says X and they will say Y.
 
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Hatuey said:
The anti-intellectualism in the modern GOP runs very strong. Give me the name of a Trump supporter, and I'll find a prominent position of theirs where the overwhelming majority of the academic world says X and they will say Y.
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If people choose not to vaccinate their kids, that's fine by me. Their (stupid) choice. I just don't want their kids around my kids - or around me for that matter.
 
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CNN has updated to put in the TRump denial, though they dont pull the "story"".

Trump team denies skeptic Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was asked to head vaccine commission - CNNPolitics.com


You gotta wonder if Trump is playing, that he knows that these jokers in the media are so trigger happy to run with anything that smells anti Trump so he is setting them up, so as to wreck their credibility even more.

Trump is both smart enough to pull it off, and willing to stoop to that level, as he says often "politics is a dirty business".
 
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tres borrachos said:
If people choose not to vaccinate their kids, that's fine by me. Their (stupid) choice. I just don't want their kids around my kids - or around me for that matter.
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Agreed, but people like MaggieD, apdst, and Henrin don't really understand that to live in this society, it simply is a risk to have people not be vaccinated so we purposely give people the choice - leave or segregate yourself. Typhoid ****ing Mary was a real thing for a reason. This crazy Irish maid went around spreading diseases for MONTHS before anybody ****ing realized that it was her. Hell, the Amish, are still spreading **** around and every couple of years we hear of some Amish traveler spreading random **** he caught in some 3rd world hellhole.

That's the freedom they want? **** that.
 
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Bodhisattva said:
Lots of kids are harmed by vaccines... *shrugs*
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Only in extremely rare do vaccines cause any serious complications.

And there certainly isn't a link between vaccines and autism.
 
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Hatuey said:
Agreed, but people like MaggieD, apdst, and Henrin don't really understand that to live in this society, it simply is a risk to have people not be vaccinated so we purposely give people the choice - leave or segregate yourself. Typhoid ****ing Mary was a real thing for a reason. This crazy Irish maid went around spreading diseases for MONTHS before anybody ****ing realized that it was her. Hell, the Amish, are still spreading **** around and every couple of years we hear of some Amish traveler spreading random **** he caught in some 3rd world hellhole.

That's the freedom they want? **** that.
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At this point I think Trump could bite the head off a baby on the street outside of Trump Tower and his supporters would say he did society a favor by keeping the population down.

It's shocking that anyone opposes vaccines. Do you know how many lives they save a year?
 
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Tettsuo said:
From the VAERS reporting system.



That's one year.

Vaccines aren't safe. There is danger.

Search Results from the VAERS Database
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From a pharmacist (me):

Any submissions to the VAERS are unverified and uncontrolled. They are in no way evidence of causality, merely temporal association (ie: they received a vaccine then a week later died from a heart attack). The VAERS is used to track adverse event rates which are then compared to population averages. This is one of the reasons we know vaccines don't cause the serious disabilities people claim they do because they don't happen at higher rates than population averages. Simple laws of probability dictate, if you are giving a vaccine to 60-70% of the population who are say.. at risk of a stroke, then some people you give a vaccine to will have a stroke shortly after receiving the vaccine. Unless it is happening at higher rates than you would predict based on epidemiological studies, you don't have any reason to conclude there is a causal relationship.
 
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tres borrachos said:
At this point I think Trump could bite the head off a baby on the street outside of Trump Tower and his supporters would say he did society a favor by keeping the population down.

It's shocking that anyone opposes vaccines. Do you know how many lives they save a year?
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It is shocking, but there are people that thing the world is flat, and the moon is fake, and all other kinds of crazy hoopla.
 
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tres borrachos said:
At this point I think Trump could bite the head off a baby on the street outside of Trump Tower and his supporters would say he did society a favor by keeping the population down.

It's shocking that anyone opposes vaccines. Do you know how many lives they save a year?
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I've been pummeling people with similar opinions on this forum for years. I once almost got myself gigged for going off on CanadaJohn after he defended a parent purposely denying her daughter chemotherapy that WOULD have saved her life.

Nothing will make me lose my cool faster than people defending putting kids through unnecessary pain. Sadly, that same little girl died a few months later because she wasn't treated. I posted the news article just to make a point of how dangerous the anti-intellectualism in some circles has become.

**** anti-vaxxers and all of the people who will let a child die because they think a magical sky creature will save the kid and if it didn't, then it wasn't in the cards.
 
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apdst said:
So, you want the government to have the authority to force citizens to be given whatever vaccination they see fit?

What could could go wrong? **** all that freedom and liberty ****!
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So, you want the government to never have the authority to do anything for any reason!? LIBERTY!!
 
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Jack Hays said:
He's an idiot.
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This #FAKENEWS very likely was a Trump Political move, a good one at that.

I think he is out to demoralize the Left.

That this was part of that.
 
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Deuce said:
So, you want the government to never have the authority to do anything for any reason!? LIBERTY!!
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I'm not convinced the government needs to have the authority to force vaccinations upon the citizenry.
 
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For the record, autism rates are increasing because the DSM originally accepted a very narrow definition of what autism was, proposed by an American psychiatrist, so narrow that only a handful of people could diagnose it in the entire country and they rejected 9 out of 10 patients sent to them with preliminary diagnoses. Interestingly, an Austrian physician named Hans Asperger at basically the same time had discovered nearly the full range of what we now call the autistic spectrum...but his research was never read outside of Austria due to the subsequent invasion of the Nazis who were constantly trying to kill his patients (and eventually they succeeded). Darn Nazis!!

It was decades before the psychiatric community learned of his research and the revelation slowly changed practices (along with new research) to vastly expand the definition, and as a result the diagnosis, of autism spectrum disorders. This coincides perfectly with the "autism epidemic".

Interestingly and very unfortunately, before Andrew Wakefield's vaccine and autism paper, the trend after the release of Rain Man sparked a national awareness of autism was to ADAPT our schools and systems to people with autism so they could function rather than try to CURE them. Wakefield's paper created a world wide panic about finding the cause of autism, rather than helping the autistic lead better lives. Highly, highly unfortunate for them because the vast majority of research dollars have been spent on dead end roads discovering what we already knew: that autism is a complex genetic disorder that probably isn't going to have a cure.

A Timeline of the History of Autism Spectrum Disorder
 
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tres borrachos said:
So you didn't believe the 10 or so official research studies already completed and already funded by the CDC that show no autism link to vaccines?
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ANd the several hundred from other independent sources??
 
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Deuce said:
Sorry, I have to disagree. Tinfoil hatters don't give "honest consideration" to "all the data."
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True scientists do give honest consideration to ALL the data out there, however.
 
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tres borrachos said:
So you didn't believe the 10 or so official research studies already completed and already funded by the CDC that show no autism link to vaccines?
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I don't disbelieve or believe anything at this point other than incidents of many diseases have been lowered or eliminated via vaccines and also a huge increase in incidents of autism.

But 10 studies conducted by people all looking for a specific outcome and who have strong motive to avoid anything that might interfere with that outcome are not useful in educating any of us. The CDC has been militant in promoting vaccines for a very long time now. They may indeed be right to do so. But they also might be less than objective or diligent in looking for a problem with one or more of those vaccines too.

That is like putting the current Dept of Health and Human Services in charge of a study as to whether Obamacare should be continued or Loretta Lynch in charge of a study of overreach by the federal judiciary.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
I don't disbelieve anything. But 10 studies conducted by people all looking for a specific outcome and who avoid anything that might interfere with that outcome are not useful in educating any of us. The CDC has been militant in promoting vaccines for a very long time now. They may indeed be right to do so. But they also might be less than objective or diligent in looking for a problem with one or more of those vaccines too.

That is like putting the current Dept of Health and Human Services in charge of a study as to whether Obamacare should be continued or Loretta Lynch in charge of a study of overreach by the federal judiciary.
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And, like I said, you are ignoring the several hundred by Independence researchers that find no link.. cherry picking how you want to criticize, and ignoring the rest of the data? That's conspiracy level denial.
 
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RAMOSS said:
And, like I said, you are ignoring the several hundred by Independence researchers that find no link.. cherry picking how you want to criticize, and ignoring the rest of the data? That's conspiracy level denial.
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Yeah yeah and 99% of scientists have done studies proving human activity is the primary source of global warming too. More accurately 99% of scientists paid to favor AGW have done studies proving that.

But the hundreds of thousands of parents dealing with autistic children and the dramatic increase in autism syndromes deserves plenty of study and answers. If vaccines are unrelated to all that, good. Let's let some folks who believe there is reason to suspect a link try to prove it. If they can't, then we'll know.

WebMD, definitely an advocate for necessary vaccinations, has compiled one of the best pro and con articles I've seen yet.
Autism-Vaccine Link: Evidence Doesn't Dispel Doubts
 
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