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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    They do have a somewhat bad track record, but there is a pretty stringent requirement to track reactions. Its called Phase 4 of the clinical trial and its years of tracking post marketing reports of ADRs. Whether they choose to act on that information when it finds something potentially negative is another matter.
    Then they should not have the choice. It should be mandatory.
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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Then they should not have the choice. It should be mandatory.
    It can be mandatory. There's just a procedure the FDA has to go through. Usually issuing a request for a voluntary withdrawal and then a more stringent process for rescinding approval if they don't comply. It just takes a while for it to be clear its necessary. You need years of data to show a correlation in most cases, but there's a pretty wide range of opinion on how much time is enough. The pharma companies have just been slower than they should be in choosing to act on a trend that's concerning (ie: Vioxx) in a couple of cases.

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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by vash1012 View Post
    It can be mandatory. There's just a procedure the FDA has to go through. Usually issuing a request for a voluntary withdrawal and then a more stringent process for rescinding approval if they don't comply. It just takes a while for it to be clear its necessary. You need years of data to show a correlation in most cases, but there's a pretty wide range of opinion on how much time is enough. The pharma companies have just been slower than they should be in choosing to act on a trend that's concerning (ie: Vioxx) in a couple of cases.
    IMHO it needs to be stronger- Look at oxycontin
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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    That site is owned by Trevor Gunn, a homeopath. He's not a doctor and he is an anti-vaxxer. Enough said.

    https://trevorgunn.com/
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    "Hello, good evening and welcome to the second of my alternative view 3 blog posts. The subject of this post? Trevor Gunn and his talk on vaccination: the facts…

    From what I can discern from google Trevor Gunn is a homeopath who questions the germ theory of disease. One who questions the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. The following is from here and describes a talk that seems similar to that which Mr Gunn will be giving.

    “Far more significant than an imperfect drug, severe side-effects or ineffective intervention, is the impact of a conventional medical approach to illness on our perception of what we are capable of as human beings. By investigating not only which ideas and approaches have dominated modern health care, but also why, we shall be investigating the psychological, philosophical and commercial pressures that have helped to shape modern medicine and continue to shape us as human beings.”

    Reading between the lines this seems to be standard anti-vax nonsense, indeed this seems backed up by Mr Gunns correspondence with the WHO. In which he questions whether the symptoms of measles are “wholly negative to the individual” and then goes on at length to describe the immuno-response to measles at great length. It seems almost churlish, almost but not quite because essentially what Gunn is advocating is the “measles isn’t harmful” canard, to point out that yes, while the bodies natural immuno-reponse to an infection or microbe isn’t wholly negative it’s often preferable not to have to rely on the bodies immuno-response in the first place. Particularly if you are an immuno-compromised individual that contracts measles or one of the 197,000 people who yearly die from the disease."

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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    IMHO it needs to be stronger- Look at oxycontin
    What about Oxycontin? It's being inappropriately prescribed and is being abused frequently. That is not something the FDA really would rescind approval for.

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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    He is also a crook.

    A fraudster claimed housing benefit to rent his own houses to a made-up tenant.

    Homeopath Trevor Gunn bought two houses in Chapel Mews, Hove, then drew up fake tenancy agreements and claimed benefits while pretending to rent the properties from a woman called Shana Mathai.

    Self-employed homeopath Gunn made the false claims for a period of seven years, from 2003 to 2011, raking in more than £113,000 in illegal benefits.

    Gunn, who regularly lectures on homeopathy, pathology and immunisation on TV, radio and in newspapers, also claimed working tax credits while working as a self employed homeopath.
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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by devildavid View Post
    And this is not questioning the CDC? Maybe they are proponents of vaccination because all the scientific studies have shown the efficacy of them and the minuscule amount of risk with them. We don't need to listen to those who have no scientific basis for opposing them. So if there is a large amount of medical scientists questioning vaccines please bring them on. But don't bring in celebrity's, non-scientific medical people, conspiracy theorists, etc. just because they have a feeling or anecdotal evidence with no credible evidence to back them. Or those who just don't trust scientific studies because they see political influence in everything. We really don't need to listen to every point of view on every issue. When I go to the doctor, if I want a second opinion I go to another doctor. I don't go to a celebrity or non-medical person for advice. If I do any research, I go to reliable medical websites, not a conspiracy theorist's blog.

    The CDC's job is to protect us from anything harmful to our health. That is what their ulterior motive is. Everyone should be kissing their feet for the work they have done to fight ebola and the zika virus. The good news is that Trump has exempted public health care workers from a planned hiring freeze. He is showing a trace of brain and good for him.

    More work lies ahead to fight Zika, other threats: CDC chief | Fox News
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    Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘vaccin

    ****ing ****.

    Vaccines are a public health issue. There are a LOT of vaccines and they are not all nor always safe. What we do know is that the collateral damages of all the vaccines we recommend are far exceeded by the damages of the horrible diseases that they immunize society against.

    Vaccination is a serious public health issue. Every person who is not vaccinated is a potential breeder for some of the most horrific plagues that humanity has ever known. Tens of thousands of dead every year, many more disfigured, blind, or crippled.

    Do i think we should force everyone to be vaccinated? No. But if you, say, use public schools, the attending children should be vaccinated. It's not okay to selfishly refuse to accept the minuscule risk of the vaccine and, in doing so, jeopardize the health of all other Americans.

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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So the CDC research, all of it through the years, is garbage because you've decided their pro-vaccination stance means it has no validity.

    Then don't have your kids vaccinated if it worries you so much. Me, I'll trust the CDC. They know what they're talking about, as do all of the other scientists and doctors who've weighed in. RFK Jr, Donald Trump and Jenny McCarthy aren't the kinds of people I trust on this issue.
    I have not said it was garbage, and your regular dishonesty in misrepresenting what I have said is growing quite tiresome. I prefer to discuss serious issues with people who don't become angry if a different point of view is presented and who don't make it personal. I will continue to ask questions when I think those questions are appropriate and am quite happy for you to believe whatever it is you believe.

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    Re: Vaccine skeptic Robert Kennedy Jr. says Trump asked him to lead commission on ‘va

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I have not said it was garbage, and your regular dishonesty in misrepresenting what I have said is growing quite tiresome. I prefer to discuss serious issues with people who don't become angry if a different point of view is presented and who don't make it personal. I will continue to ask questions when I think those questions are appropriate and am quite happy for you to believe whatever it is you believe.

    Do have a pleasant afternoon.
    You're saying you don't trust the CDC report and you've yet to say why except that you're convinced they had their own end result in mind and crafted the reports to satisfy their desired result. That's fraud and misrepresentation if that's what they did, not to mention a danger to the health and welfare of people. So yes, you're slamming them by saying such things. If you have evidence of them intentionally withholding information that would lead to a different result, I encourage you to share it. Otherwise I will trust, as most everyone else does, the findings of their research as well as the many other research projects that showed there is no link between vaccinations and autism, in spite of what RFK Jr., Trump and Playboy bunny Jenny McCarthy say.

    Enjoy your day as well!
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