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Sources: Trump will ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall

Kobie said:
Considering "no research" should be tattooed on your forehead, please list them.



The entire website. Anyone who takes Breitbart seriously is an idiot. However, since you want at least one example, I will happily provide Breitbart's support of one Mr. James O'Keefe, the lyingest liar of them all.
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1. Leaking debate questions to Hillary
2. interviewing their own cameraman as protestors
3. claiming the recent kidnapping was not a Hate Crime
4. cutting the mic of Black Trump supporters
5. claiming Hillary never had health problems
6. positioning cameras to make it look like Hillary's small campaign rally crowds were a lot bigger.

There is a half dozen Skippy, Now show at least one example of Breitbart or Veritas Project in an actual deliberate act of dishonesty.
 
Make Amerika great again = throw $20 billion at something that can't work because we don't even need it

Mexico paying for their own insult was never gonna happen, duh
 
Still don't get how people don't understand this issue. The man's been extremely successful in RED (real estate development).

You usually don't get a contractor that does shoddy work/failed to uphold his terms of the agreement, to pay back money. They refuse, use legal loopholes (at least overseas), have various methods as well to finagle out of a deal...and because you are a smart RED, and never pay full amounts at the onset. Payment goes through in contracted stages, after meeting certain benchmarks, from architects and planners at the design process, to furniture procurement and interior installations. If you don't do good work, your future payment is withheld, and there are many other areas (lawsuits, or withholding payment for other services to the same company, ) to recoup the loss. You don't necessarily get that money directly from them. You get it back in other ways.

All over the developed world, it goes like this. Standard RED procedure. And as a nation-state, the US has a LOT more options to recoup the expenses, especially from a country that a) is right next door and b) in ages past would have been conquered or annihilated for its wrongdoings, if the US was anything like earlier civilizations.

I don't think anyone would assume Mexico will "pay" for the wall by providing us some sort of check, or truckloads of greenbacks or something. What will happen is, construction on the "wall" (fencing, drones, increased budget for border security, reduction of funding to sanctuary cities, deportation of illegals, freezing bank accounts, etc. etc.) will start with taxpayer funding, even be completed with a majority using tax dollars. I've always thought this would be the case. Devs/investors always cover initial costs in a development project, then accrue funding, and payout, accordingly.

US will ask Mexico for recompense and funding after the project is started, whether via materials, currency, or other measures. Refusal? Then there could be potential limits / tariffs on Mexican exports to the US, limitations and barriers to currency transfers, cutback on types of aid, withdrawal from various cooperative bodies, etc., to a point where Mexico has "paid" for the costs.
 
If this isn't a total flip-flop,then what is it?

This was one one of Trumps big campaign points.Now he's sticking it to everyone who voted for him because they believed that this would happen.
 
tres borrachos said:
Why doesn't one of Trump's spectacular development companies build it at a very discounted rate?
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The opposite is going to happen: Trump's firms will build it at an inflated rate and bill the taxpayers. :2razz:
 
Kobie said:
That's not making Mexico pay for anything. That's making Mexicans funnel an insignificant amount of money into our coffers, stifling trade while doing so.
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And, if we do that, Mexico will reciprocate the fees back to Americans who enter Mexico. Same thing happened with Brazil. Its BS....I go to Mexico all the time, I sure as hell don't want to have to pay a stupid fee to go there. It would kill tourism.
 
coldjoint said:
A lying asshole is leaving office and hands down I like the lying asshole that is coming in much better. And you have no right to call Trump supporters idiots. They outsmarted everyone.
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They sure did, and cost Americans 25 billion dollars in the process by buying the lies of their moron leader.

The denial is hilarious. Absolutely hilarious.
 
Battalion said:
Still don't get how people don't understand this issue. The man's been extremely successful in RED (real estate development).

You usually don't get a contractor that does shoddy work/failed to uphold his terms of the agreement, to pay back money. They refuse, use legal loopholes (at least overseas), have various methods as well to finagle out of a deal...and because you are a smart RED, and never pay full amounts at the onset. Payment goes through in contracted stages, after meeting certain benchmarks, from architects and planners at the design process, to furniture procurement and interior installations. If you don't do good work, your future payment is withheld, and there are many other areas (lawsuits, or withholding payment for other services to the same company, ) to recoup the loss. You don't necessarily get that money directly from them. You get it back in other ways.

All over the developed world, it goes like this. Standard RED procedure. And as a nation-state, the US has a LOT more options to recoup the expenses, especially from a country that a) is right next door and b) in ages past would have been conquered or annihilated for its wrongdoings, if the US was anything like earlier civilizations.

I don't think anyone would assume Mexico will "pay" for the wall by providing us some sort of check, or truckloads of greenbacks or something. What will happen is, construction on the "wall" (fencing, drones, increased budget for border security, reduction of funding to sanctuary cities, deportation of illegals, freezing bank accounts, etc. etc.) will start with taxpayer funding, even be completed with a majority using tax dollars. I've always thought this would be the case. Devs/investors always cover initial costs in a development project, then accrue funding, and payout, accordingly.

US will ask Mexico for recompense and funding after the project is started, whether via materials, currency, or other measures. Refusal? Then there could be potential limits / tariffs on Mexican exports to the US, limitations and barriers to currency transfers, cutback on types of aid, withdrawal from various cooperative bodies, etc., to a point where Mexico has "paid" for the costs.
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The ongoing delusional blindness is fantastic.
 
chromium said:
Make Amerika great again = throw $20 billion at something that can't work because we don't even need it

Mexico paying for their own insult was never gonna happen, duh
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Yeah, but the Trump fans need their daily fiction to make them feel good. A wall is going to be the biggest boondoggle and waste of taxpayer money. Use that money for research into renewable energy so we don't have to be tied down to an oil economy.
 
God damnit people, stop and use some common sense and a bit of objectivity here, and you'll realize why these attacks are failing.

Trumps supporters are what? Primarily conservative types, right? Well let's look at a slightly different topic real quick.

Minimum wage increases. What is one of the reasons that many conservatives oppose minimum wage increases? Because ultimately either the customer will have to pay for it because prices will become increased, or other employees will have to pay for it because they'll lose their jobs. When those individuals suggest such things, are they LITERALLY meaning that the customer or the other employee is going to go take their own cash and issue a paycheck to the employee? No. It's in reference to the ultimately where the money will be generated from.

Let's look at regulations for pollution in automobiles that potentially increase the cost. Again, what is the common refrain of many of those who oppose such things? That ultimately the customers will be paying for that regulation because it will increase the costs of the vehicles. Same goes for taxes on carbon in gas and other such things.

The notion that "X" is going to pay for something without DIRECTLY PAYING FOR IT is not some completely uncommon and unheard of notion within politics.

But suddenly we're going "derrrrr, if construction is done through a budget authorization Trump is a lying mcliarson and anyone who believed him is a dumby who's been lied to". Sorry, no, that's just dumb.

Yes, it's quite possible that ultimately Trumps generalized suggestion (which he had walked back to some degree long before now, as even noted in the OPs story) could end up being partially to completely untrue/wrong. But there's not nearly enough info right now to decry it as an abject lie. By all accounts, there's still desire and plans on the part of the Trump campaign as it relates to potential tariffs, potential reworks of NAFTA, and other various deals. Mexico could potentially be "paying" for the wall via an ultimately net increase in federal revenue related to various reworkings of deals or levying of new tariffs upon trade with Mexico. Just because Mexico isn't cutting us a phat check right this moment for "For the wall!" on it's notes line doesn't necessarily indicate that they aren't essentially "paying" for the cost of it at some point in time in a practical fashion. It may end up turning out to be a lie, or an error, but it's still up in the air at this point.

This just seems like more of the same in terms of attacks against Trump; ones that completely miss the mark and are born off of a faulty premise regarding the understanding of what he's saying, what his supporters are hearing (and thus why they voted for him), and what is actually happening.
 
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beefheart said:
And, if we do that, Mexico will reciprocate the fees back to Americans who enter Mexico. Same thing happened with Brazil. Its BS....I go to Mexico all the time, I sure as hell don't want to have to pay a stupid fee to go there. It would kill tourism.
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Yup, Beef, I've said this same thing many times the last few months to my friends and family. Like you, I go there a lot, and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to pay a fee to go because Trump suckered a bunch of easily suckered voters.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup, Beef, I've said this same thing many times the last few months to my friends and family. Like you, I go there a lot, and I'll be goddamned if I'm going to pay a fee to go because Trump suckered a bunch of easily suckered voters.
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Hell, I stop at Los Algodones every time I drive to San Diego, stock up on some very cheap prescriptions.

At least I will be able to cross with my other passport for free...LOL
 
Top Cat said:
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Washington (CNN)President-elect Donald Trump's transition team has signaled to congressional Republican leaders that his preference is to fund the border wall through the appropriations process as soon as April, according to House Republican officials.

The move would break a key campaign promise when Trump repeatedly said he would force Mexico to pay for the construction of the wall along the border, though in October, Trump suggested for the first time that Mexico would reimburse the US for the cost of the wall

Sources: Trump will ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall - CNNPolitics.com

Suckers! Bwahahahaha!
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Crooked Hillary lost the election so for the next 4 years you are going to waste your time posting nonsense like this?
The stupid drum beat that some how makes you feel better? Sad sate of affairs.
 
Casca XV said:
CNN is fake news...take down this thread
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either take your tongue out of your cheek or get your head out to see some sunshine. If you actually believe that, we are all doomed.

I did not believe Trump had any chance of election because I did not believe there were that many uneducated, angry white men to push him over the time. I was wrong about that. Tell me I am wrong here and you are not a part of his core demographic.
 
Taylor said:
Some of the ideas he's thrown out are taxing or restricting wire transfers into Mexico, enforcing trade tariffs, and increasing fees on visas and border crossing cards.
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"Border crossing cards"?

:lol::):2razz::rofl
 
Top Cat said:
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Washington (CNN)President-elect Donald Trump's transition team has signaled to congressional Republican leaders that his preference is to fund the border wall through the appropriations process as soon as April, according to House Republican officials.

The move would break a key campaign promise when Trump repeatedly said he would force Mexico to pay for the construction of the wall along the border, though in October, Trump suggested for the first time that Mexico would reimburse the US for the cost of the wall

Sources: Trump will ask Congress, not Mexico, to pay for border wall - CNNPolitics.com

Suckers! Bwahahahaha!
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Break a promise? He will make a best efforts on Mexico paying. You don’t like it?
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Crooked Hillary lost the election so for the next 4 years you are going to waste your time posting nonsense like this?
The stupid drum beat that some how makes you feel better? Sad sate of affairs.
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It's similar to the 8 years of stupid drum beat stuff people were trolling about during Obama's terms. Sad state of affairs indeed. Partisans are like this though.
 
Taylor said:
How is it insignificant? The wire transfers alone are worth double the cost.
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You can't steal their money that way. They will put cash in envelopes before they will let you do that. It is just another lie.
 
joG said:
Break a promise? He will make a best efforts on Mexico paying. You don’t like it?
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LOL You people are in a hypnotic trance or something. That is like saying he will make his best efforts to defeat gravity. There was never any chance of Mexico paying for he wall.
 
Kobie said:
That's not making Mexico pay for anything. That's making Mexicans funnel an insignificant amount of money into our coffers, stifling trade while doing so.
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Actually it is worse than that. Tariffs will just increase prices for Americans, which means it is Americans who will pay for the wall.
 
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