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Russian hacking claims: US spy chief promises Putin motive[W:188]

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Abbazorkzog said:
Still doesn't change the fact that the main reason Hillary Clinton lost the election was because she was Hillary Clinton.
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Get your logic out of here please.
 
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Moot said:
We wouldn't even be discussing the DNC emails if Russia hadn't hacked their emails to influence the election.
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We wouldn't be discussing any of this either if Clinton had won.
 
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Moot said:
We wouldn't even be discussing the DNC emails if Russia hadn't hacked their emails to influence the election.
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If Hillary had not "influenced the election" herself, Bernie would have been the nominee and Russia wouldn't have been able to "influence the election" and Bernie could have been president.
 
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MrPeanut said:
Okay, so what? It would've been nice if he took it seriously earlier, but for whatever reason he didn't. That doesn't excuse everybody from acknowledging what U.S. intelligence is saying now. It seems to me like you think it is more important to blame Obama for not acting sooner than to focus on what can be done now.
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That's stupid. If Obama had taken things seriously in the first place we wouldn't be talking about what can be done now and if Hillary & Co hadn't been lying, dishonest, crooks, there would be nothing to influence. By the way, what can be done now? Maybe Obama can draw another line in the sand. On top of that, "influencing the election" does not translate into changing the election results. There is absolutely no proof that their "influencing" caused Hillary to lose and Trump to win.
 
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What I find so humorous is peoples illogical partisan response to it. For them it is not about the truth but the source of that truth. They will conveniently overlook the crookedness of Hillary and the DNC and act as if people have been somehow mislead by the truth.

I wonder if peoples response would have been different if it had been a DNC whistle blower that exposed this instead of possibly the Russians?
 
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Moderate Right said:
That's stupid. If Obama had taken things seriously in the first place we wouldn't be talking about what can be done now and if Hillary & Co hadn't been lying, dishonest, crooks, there would be nothing to influence. By the way, what can be done now? Maybe Obama can draw another line in the sand. On top of that, "influencing the election" does not translate into changing the election results. There is absolutely no proof that their "influencing" caused Hillary to lose and Trump to win.
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You go ahead and try to rewind time and I'll stick to hoping they take things seriously now. There is no point in talking about what should've been done. Influencing an election is enough reason to take it seriously. I don't think it turned the election for Trump, but that really isn't the point. The point is that it happened and it needs to be taken seriously.
 
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Baralis said:
What I find so humorous is peoples illogical partisan response to it. For them it is not about the truth but the source of that truth. They will conveniently overlook the crookedness of Hillary and the DNC and act as if people have been somehow mislead by the truth.

I wonder if peoples response would have been different if it had been a DNC whistle blower that exposed this instead of possibly the Russians?
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Or the people that are so obsessed with the released emails that they don't care about who hacked us during an election. They are a little screwed up too, huh?
 
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MrPeanut said:
You go ahead and try to rewind time and I'll stick to hoping they take things seriously now. There is no point in talking about what should've been done. Influencing an election is enough reason to take it seriously. I don't think it turned the election for Trump, but that really isn't the point. The point is that it happened and it needs to be taken seriously.
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The election part needs to be taken out of the equation entirely and we need to stop Russia, China, and North Korea from hacking, even if we have to get rid of Al Gore's internet. As you say, the past is the past (the election) and we need to stop future hacking instead of trying to punish countries for past hacking.
 
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MrPeanut said:
Or the people that are so obsessed with the released emails that they don't care about who hacked us during an election. They are a little screwed up too, huh?
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The who of it is irrelevant imo it should not occur but unfortunately it does. Sadly electronic surveillance and hacking is something justified in the name of "national security" by governments around the globe.
 
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Moderate Right said:
The election part needs to be taken out of the equation entirely and we need to stop Russia, China, and North Korea from hacking, even if we have to get rid of Al Gore's internet. As you say, the past is the past (the election) and we need to stop future hacking instead of trying to punish countries for past hacking.
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The Russia story is still current. I don't watch MSM so I'm not sure if there are still a bunch of talking heads complaining about how it swayed the election, but if there are I agree that they should stop. It's impossible to tell how much the leaks really affected the election.
 
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Baralis said:
The who of it is irrelevant imo it should not occur but unfortunately it does. Sadly electronic surveillance and hacking is something justified in the name of "national security" by governments around the globe.
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I just don't see how the leaks can be weighed heavier than the action. I am much more concerned about foreign governments hacking and leaking information during an election cycle than the evidence that the DNC actively sought to promote Clinton over the other nominees. The leaks might have been revealing for the general public, but I've gotta think most people who follow politics already assumed that trash was going on. I also assume the RNC favors particular nominees, and I bet if they were hacked we would see that as well.
 
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MrPeanut said:
I just don't see how the leaks can be weighed heavier than the action. I am much more concerned about foreign governments hacking and leaking information during an election cycle than the evidence that the DNC actively sought to promote Clinton over the other nominees. The leaks might have been revealing for the general public, but I've gotta think most people who follow politics already assumed that trash was going on. I also assume the RNC favors particular nominees, and I bet if they were hacked we would see that as well.
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I would be concerned if Russia or any other country was releasing dishonest or false information in an attempt to sway our elections but I am all about honesty and if the information they released was factual and non manipulated then I think they only did the world a service even if I completely disagree with the method.
 
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Moderate Right said:
If Hillary had not "influenced the election" herself, Bernie would have been the nominee and Russia wouldn't have been able to "influence the election" and Bernie could have been president.
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Silly me...I thought candidates were supposed to influence the election...not foreign governments.
 
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Fenton said:
The Dems have lost over a thousand seats since 2010 and the House and the Senate

Thats Putins fault, right ??
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That would be a mischaracterization of reality. No one is claiming that Putin did that. What is claimed is that Putin ordered the hacking that resulted in what was released by Wikileaks. Those documents released by Wikileaks were widely used by Trumps campaign. This site is full of threads centered around the content of those files. Most likely you went on about how bad those things were before we all voted. That is directly influencing of our elections. You can bury your head in the sand and join Trump in being a naive moron if thats how you want to be.
 
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Moderate Right said:
Who would it have mattered to? Are there any stats, polls, etc of people who changed their vote from Hillary to Trump due to the hacking? Does Hillary & Co not have any responsibility at all for being lying, dishonest crooks in the first place? Many on the left claim there wasn't anything damaging in the hacked emails and then turn around and claim that Russia was trying to influence the election. With what? There was no damaging information in the hacks. Which way is it?
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Many on the Right assert that there was plenty of damning information in those emails. This site is full of threads that state that as a fact. Trump said it while on the campaign trail. In fact after the leaks came out Trump centered his campaign around it. It would be dishonest to actually claim that those emails had zero influence on the election. Hell not only would it be dishonest it would be a outright lie. I mean come on you read many of those emails didnt you? I know those emails influenced myself. It isnt all the time that you get confirmation of what you always assumed about a person.

If people feel that Hillary is a crook then by all means go after her, I will wait and see what sticks and what was BS. Nobody should be above the law including Trump. But no worries there we will get plenty of time to talk Trump being a crook.
 
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MrPeanut said:
I just don't see how the leaks can be weighed heavier than the action. I am much more concerned about foreign governments hacking and leaking information during an election cycle than the evidence that the DNC actively sought to promote Clinton over the other nominees. The leaks might have been revealing for the general public, but I've gotta think most people who follow politics already assumed that trash was going on. I also assume the RNC favors particular nominees, and I bet if they were hacked we would see that as well.
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Well we at least know Republicans suck at stacking the deck for/against a particular person, if they were as adept with manipulation as the Democrats Trump wouldn't be in office right now.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Many on the Right assert that there was plenty of damning information in those emails. This site is full of threads that state that as a fact. Trump said it while on the campaign trail. In fact after the leaks came out Trump centered his campaign around it. It would be dishonest to actually claim that those emails had zero influence on the election. Hell not only would it be dishonest it would be a outright lie. I mean come on you read many of those emails didnt you? I know those emails influenced myself. It isnt all the time that you get confirmation of what you always assumed about a person.

If people feel that Hillary is a crook then by all means go after her, I will wait and see what sticks and what was BS. Nobody should be above the law including Trump. But no worries there we will get plenty of time to talk Trump being a crook.
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I honestly feel this nation is so divided and partisan that those emails mattered not much at all. The people that saw her as a crook took it as confirmation, and her supporters dismissed or still saw Trump as worse.
 
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Moot said:
Silly me...I thought candidates were supposed to influence the election...not foreign governments.
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So you are OK with the DNC purposely rigging the election against Bernie, not to mention the superdelegate system?
 
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Kobie said:
Um, no, it's not. Learn to read.
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You said it was OK for the DNC to purposely rig the primary election against Bernie when they were supposed to be impartial.
 
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FreedomFromAll said:
Many on the Right assert that there was plenty of damning information in those emails. This site is full of threads that state that as a fact. Trump said it while on the campaign trail. In fact after the leaks came out Trump centered his campaign around it. It would be dishonest to actually claim that those emails had zero influence on the election. Hell not only would it be dishonest it would be a outright lie. I mean come on you read many of those emails didnt you? I know those emails influenced myself. It isnt all the time that you get confirmation of what you always assumed about a person.

If people feel that Hillary is a crook then by all means go after her, I will wait and see what sticks and what was BS. Nobody should be above the law including Trump. But no worries there we will get plenty of time to talk Trump being a crook.
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It is the left claiming that there was no damaging information in the emails, not the right. Then they turn right around and say that Russia was trying to influence the election. The left can't have it both ways. Which way is it? If the left admits that Hillary was proven to be a lying, dishonest, crook by the hacks then we can talk about how Russia used the truth to influence the election. If Hillary was not proven to be a lying, dishonest, crook by the hacks then the information could not have influenced the election. It's actually quite simple.
 
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Moderate Right said:
So you are OK with the DNC purposely rigging the election against Bernie, not to mention the superdelegate system?
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Talking about it and actually doing it are two different things. Do you have proof that the DNC actually went through with the plots mentioned in the two or three emails about Bernie? If not...then you're just spreading false information and I'm not OK with that.
 
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Lol, I love the hypocrisy.

Back during the Cold War, if you said there were communist Russian spies in our government, your were, like McCarthy, a deluded crazy person.
Now that Russia is a Christian nation however with other right wing tendencies, Putin is Hitler incarnate and there is OBVIOUSLY Russian interference in our government.

I'm waiting on any proof or documentation to be given by the CIA or our government detailing precisely how Russia was involved in influencing our election. If they do so, I will be the first to admit that something should be done about it. Until then, please stop the warmongering I hear it's unhealthy.
 
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Moderate Right said:
It is the left claiming that there was no damaging information in the emails, not the right. Then they turn right around and say that Russia was trying to influence the election. The left can't have it both ways. Which way is it? If the left admits that Hillary was proven to be a lying, dishonest, crook by the hacks then we can talk about how Russia used the truth to influence the election. If Hillary was not proven to be a lying, dishonest, crook by the hacks then the information could not have influenced the election. It's actually quite simple.
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That is a poor argument and a really naive one. This isnt about partisan politics about who is worse, its about another country purposely trying to influence the outcome of a presidential election. Everyone but Trump and his supporters agree that it was a very provocative action. Trump supporters go on about we won we won in a childish little fit. Yes Trump won, but that doesnt change anything. It certainly doesnt make it ok, nothing to see here. It would be the same case if Hillary won. FFS this isnt about who won at all. No one is going to take the presidency away from Trump. I mean I get it Trump supporters are insecure about their win since they lost the popular vote by 11 million. But the argument that you just made is irrelevant and has zero to do with what this is all about. But you wont see that, all you will see is that you hate the left and Trump won. While Trump did win it was a tainted win. And that is what the Trump supporters fear the most. Enough fear to all the sudden take Putins side and stand behind an anti-American rapist named Assuage. God damn thats insecure.
 
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Sounds like a really emotional response with some insults about insecurity or something. Also an 11 million number thrown in there which I'm not sure is based in reality.

Trump didn't campaign for the popular vote, which is why he won. If the popular vote was needed to win, he would've campaigned differently and still won. I'm not sure how this is so hard to understand.
 
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