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Paul Ryan: GOP will defund Planned Parenthood[W:546]

Any public funding PP gets is specifically NOT used in the tiny part of their overall work which involves abortion.
 
Moderate Right said:
You can cry as much as you want. PP funding is ending - SOON.
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I am not crying in the least and we will see, but even so if it does it will still be based on a lie. I find it telling that you would support any action based on lies.
 
Moderate Right said:
I don't need any evidence. The facts are simple:

1. Federal funding is not allowed for elective abortions

2. PP does elective abortions

3. Federal funding for PP is going to cease

Those are the facts.
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You seem to be under the impression that PP is illegally reimbursed for abortions by the federal government. That would be fraud. Prove it.
 
year2late said:
You seem to be under the impression that PP is illegally reimbursed for abortions by the federal government. That would be fraud. Prove it.
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You just don't get it. I don't have to prove anything. This is not a debate. PP funding is going to end, no matter what you post.
 
Moderate Right said:
You just don't get it. I don't have to prove anything. This is not a debate. PP funding is going to end, no matter what you post.
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And if it does end than taxpayers will be paying much more in taxes for for the Title X services that Planned Parenthood use to help cover with their private donated funds.
Title X funding, on the other hand, is awarded as a grant to Planned Parenthood.
The organization receives approximately $60 million in Title X grants, according to a 2015 Congressional Budget Office analysis quoted in the Washington Times. Planned Parenthood must specifically use these funds to support family planning health care.

This care includes cervical and breast cancer screenings, STI testing and treatment and birth control. It specifically does not include abortions, as Title X funds are prohibited from being used for abortion services under federal law. Nevertheless, Republicans have sought to eliminate the program on multiple occasions — despite studies that reveal every $1 invested in family planning programs saves the American taxpayer $7.
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https://mic.com/articles/164821/how-...els#.b4fncrOdv
 
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Moderate Right said:
You just don't get it. I don't have to prove anything. This is not a debate. PP funding is going to end, no matter what you post.
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Again you are not getting my question. You made a post that indicated PP was not in compliance with the Hyde amendment. Do you believe that?
 
minnie616 said:
And if it does end than taxpayers will be paying much more in taxes for for the Title X services that Planned Parenthood use to help cover with their private donated funds.


https://mic.com/articles/164821/how-...els#.b4fncrOdv
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Not sure I follow you there. Federal funds will be diverted from PP to other facilities who perform non abortion health care. It will merely be a case of one organization having less in "sales" while other organizations have more in "sales". Sixty million is still sixty million, no matter who gets the sixty million. More than likely, private funding for PP will increase to some degree once federal funding to PP is stopped. It's time celebrities and others on the left pony up and put their money where their mouth is.
 
Moderate Right said:
Not sure I follow you there. Federal funds will be diverted from PP to other facilities who perform non abortion health care. It will merely be a case of one organization having less in "sales" while other organizations have more in "sales". Sixty million is still sixty million, no matter who gets the sixty million. ....
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That is not what happened in Wisconsin or Texas.

From the Following.


It’s a move Republicans have long framed as a rebuke of Planned Parenthood’s role in providing abortions – even though Medicaid is prohibited from covering abortions by law, and only half of Planned Parenthood clinics even offer the procedure.

What Medicaid does do is allow Planned Parenthood to provide contraception, cancer screenings and STI tests to 1.5 million patients in the public safety net at some 650 health centers for no cost.

About two-fifths of the organization’s $1.3bn annual budget derives from public funding.

Without the reimbursements Medicaid provides, a spokeswoman for the Planned Parenthood said, an unknown number of those centers will have to close.

House speaker Paul Ryan of Wisconsin recently predicted that federally funded health centers – like the one in Midland – could pick up where Planned Parenthood left off. “They’re in virtually every community,” he said at a recent town hall, “providing the same kinds of services.”

But public health officials such as Austin, who work in states where Planned Parenthood’s presence is already in decline, are sounding the alarm. They say the loss of Planned Parenthood would imperil the health of thousands of women who already face high barriers for care.

And some of the strongest voices in opposition come from Ryan’s own backyard.

“They’ve never replaced the services of Planned Parenthood,” said Gail Scott, director of health in Jefferson County, Wisconsin. Her county, which lost the Johnson Creek Planned Parenthood in 2013, bumps up against Ryan’s congressional district. “I’m not pro-abortion or anything,” she said. “But I can tell you nothing ever replaced those services for uninsured people.”


The clinics in Johnson Creek closed because lawmakers in Wisconsin, as in Texas, approved a series of family planning cuts targeted directly at Planned Parenthood. Today, Scott said, when the Jefferson County health department gets calls from low-income women looking for a place to obtain contraception,

staff recommend they travel to another county – where there’s still a Planned Parenthood.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/17/planned-parenthood-congress-wisconsin-texas
 
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Moderate Right said:
Not sure I follow you there. Federal funds will be diverted from PP to other facilities who perform non abortion health care. ...
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According to acticle I linked in my Previous post....other facilities will not be able to handle the vast numbers of patients who currently rely on Planned Parenthoods for their health care.


“Planned Parenthood treats about two million women on Medicaid and community health clinics in total serve about 25 million – everybody from infants to 90-year-olds,” said Sara Rosenbaum, a professor of health policy at George Washington University who has worked in the field of community health for several decades.

“They have wait lists for the people they’re serving today, much less having to absorb all of Planned Parenthood’s patients as well,” she continued. “The notion they can suddenly ramp up their capacity to absorb all of the services Planned Parenthood can offer, the notion that overnight they can serve two million more people who need reproductive health services is absurd. It displays, to my mind, an astounding ignorance of how the health system works.”
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year2late said:
Again you are not getting my question. You made a post that indicated PP was not in compliance with the Hyde amendment. Do you believe that?
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Yes, I believe that. Playing a shell game is unacceptable. It boils down to the simple things I mentioned.

Federal funding is not allowed for elective abortions.

PP does elective abortions.

PP will not be receiving any more federal funding

It doesn't matter what I think or what you think. Funding is ending.
 
minnie616 said:
That is not what happened in Wisconsin or Texas.

From the Following.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/17/planned-parenthood-congress-wisconsin-texas
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We're not talking about Wisconsin or Texas state legislatures. We are talking about the US Congress. They are on record as saying that the federal funds from PP would be diverted to other facilities that provide women's health services, minus abortion. Why don't you wait and see what happens and then say I told you so? You really don't have a choice anyway. It's happening.
 
minnie616 said:
According to acticle I linked in my Previous post....other facilities will not be able to handle the vast numbers of patients who currently rely on Planned Parenthoods for their health care.
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I'm really done debating this. You don't seem to understand that you have no voice in the matter. I have no voice in the matter. Federal funding to PP is going to stop. This is like debating whether the sun is going to come up tomorrow. I say it is and you say it isn't. But, that really isn't a debate because the sun is coming up tomorrow and federal funding for PP is going to stop.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, I believe that. Playing a shell game is unacceptable.
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But your beliefs are not relevant, really.

It boils down to the simple things I mentioned.
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Only if you prefer lies.

Federal funding is not allowed for elective abortions.
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Exactly and it is not used for it.

PP does elective abortions.
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Yes it does and it is irrelevant.

PP will not be receiving any more federal funding
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That remains to be seen.

It doesn't matter what I think or what you think.
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Actually for those who care about facts it does matter. Why you avoid them is very telling.

Funding is ending.
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Lets wait and see.
 
Moderate Right said:
We're not talking about Wisconsin or Texas state legislatures. We are talking about the US Congress. They are on record as saying that the federal funds from PP would be diverted to other facilities that provide women's health services, minus abortion. ...
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FACT:
Only about half of Planned Parenthood clinics perform abortions.
 
Master PO said:
sounds like a good idea, next we need to move any other entity which draws money from the federal government.

no one should be receiving any cash from the government unless it is because of goods or services rendered to the federal government
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......particularly state and local governments that lose their independence because of it.
 
prometeus said:
But your beliefs are not relevant, really.

Only if you prefer lies.

Exactly and it is not used for it.

Yes it does and it is irrelevant.

That remains to be seen.

Actually for those who care about facts it does matter. Why you avoid them is very telling.

Lets wait and see.
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Fine. We can wait and see but I think you forgot the election and the current legislative makeup. One million people can protest until the cows come home but funding is being cut, even if two million people protest.
 
Moderate Right said:
Yes, I believe that. Playing a shell game is unacceptable. It boils down to the simple things I mentioned.

Federal funding is not allowed for elective abortions.

PP does elective abortions.

PP will not be receiving any more federal funding

It doesn't matter what I think or what you think. Funding is ending.
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You absoutely misrepresent the Hyde Amendment. Planned Parenthood is honoring the amendment. No matter how much you make like there is a fraudulent shell game going on you are wrong.

I fully accept that the new administration will try to change things.

But any properly accredited clinic that recieves reimbursement for services will still get reimbursement. If an item is covered at a private MD office, it will similarly still be covered at PP.

Now, remembering that 65 percent of abortion are NOT at Planned Parenthood.....is every clinic, hospital, and doctors office that performs abortion going to be defunded or JUST Planned Parenthood.
 
year2late said:
You absoutely misrepresent the Hyde Amendment. Planned Parenthood is honoring the amendment. No matter how much you make like there is a fraudulent shell game going on you are wrong.

I fully accept that the new administration will try to change things.

But any properly accredited clinic that recieves reimbursement for services will still get reimbursement. If an item is covered at a private MD office, it will similarly still be covered at PP.

Now, remembering that 65 percent of abortion are NOT at Planned Parenthood.....is every clinic, hospital, and doctors office that performs abortion going to be defunded or JUST Planned Parenthood.
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You really don't get it. FEDERAL FUNDS FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD ARE GOING BYE BYE, no matter what you post.
 
Moderate Right said:
You really don't get it. FEDERAL FUNDS FOR PLANNED PARENTHOOD ARE GOING BYE BYE, no matter what you post.
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You are not responding to my statement.

What about the other clinics and hospitals that perform abortions and recieve federal reimburements and funding.

Do you think if Planned Parenthood gets their funds revolked that the other clinics and hospitals that perform abortions should lose theirs as well?
 
year2late said:
You are not responding to my statement.

What about the other clinics and hospitals that perform abortions and recieve federal reimburements and funding.

Do you think if Planned Parenthood gets their funds revolked that the other clinics and hospitals that perform abortions should lose theirs as well?
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As I said in another post, you guys want to debate that the sun is not coming up tomorrow and I am trying to tell you that the sun is coming up tomorrow. There is no debate about it. It's going to happen. Just as the sun is coming up tomorrow, federal funding to PP is going to end. It's not up for debate. For some ungodly reason you guys seem to think if you can win a debate against me, PP funding will continue. It won't. I put up my arms and totally surrender to you. But, just as the sun is coming up tomorrow, federal funding to PP is gone. Now I hope you feel better that you have won the debate, just not the reality.
 
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