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Paul Ryan: GOP will defund Planned Parenthood[W:546]

Moderate Right said:
What a twist that is. Abortion is a choice not to have a pregnancy, just as contraceptives are. If you have gotten pregnant the choice was already made, otherwise you would have used contraceptives.
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contraceptive

adjective
1. tending or serving to prevent conception or impregnation.
2. pertaining to contraception.

noun
3. a contraceptive device, drug, foam, etc.

Contraceptive | Define Contraceptive at Dictionary.com


'Nuff said.
 
CanadaJohn said:
It's impossible to differentiate when the recipient provides both services. It's the same argument that caused UNICEF to lose a great deal of its funding and their Halloween box collections to be abandoned - UNICEF supported abortion and unacceptable contraceptive choices in Africa and elsewhere yet claimed people could direct that their donations not support those things. When you provide both, you're just playing a bit of a shell game with the dollars.

If all PP did was provide all other services but not abortions, the vast majority of people would have no problem with public funding going their way. Leave the abortions to abortionists and all will be fine.
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It's my understanding that the money given to PP for health care, contraception etc does not cover the cost of providing it (hence why they need donations), so in that case, the money is not being used for abortion. Women pay for their abortions, and those who can't can get help via a fund that people donate to for that purpose.
 
I'm curious to know how many of the people upset over the defunding of PP (which will not shut them down) due to all the women they help, are outraged over the people who forced Eric Trump to suspend his charity providing millions of dollars for the St.Jude Children's hospital due to possible complications.
 
Top Cat said:
Paul Ryan: GOP will defund Planned Parenthood - CNNPolitics.com

It's starting... The slip into the abyss of stupidity.

Oh wait, I'm sure the GOP has a grand plan on what to do with all the babies? I can hardly wait to hear it.
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Wait, I thought Planned Parenthood didn't do all that many abortions and federal funds didn't go to that anyway. And if you liberals like PP so much, nothing is stopping you from funding it. So whats the problem?
 
Fletch said:
Wait, I thought Planned Parenthood didn't do all that many abortions and federal funds didn't go to that anyway. And if you liberals like PP so much, nothing is stopping you from funding it. So whats the problem?
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As is often the case with liberals, they don't have any sense of responsibility or accountability. Unwanted pregnancies are "Society's Fault," not the fault of the "victim." Thus, Society must clean up after those who can't(or won't) clean up after themselves. I've looked, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in The Constitution where it says that WE THE PEOPLE must, or should, pay for abortions.

Maybe one our more erudite liberals can explain why I should have to pay for another human's stupid, irrational, selfish, unethical and unconscionable behavior. If a pregnancy is unwanted, why get pregnant?
 
False Equivalence stating that liberals have no sense of responsibility or accountability .

Quazimodo said:
As is often the case with liberals, they don't have any sense of responsibility or accountability. Unwanted pregnancies are "Society's Fault," not the fault of the "victim." Thus, Society must clean up after those who can't(or won't) clean up after themselves. I've looked, but I haven't been able to find anywhere in The Constitution where it says that WE THE PEOPLE must, or should, pay for abortions.

Maybe one our more erudite liberals can explain why I should have to pay for another human's stupid, irrational, selfish, unethical and unconscionable behavior. If a pregnancy is unwanted, why get pregnant?
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Fletch said:
Wait, I thought Planned Parenthood didn't do all that many abortions and federal funds didn't go to that anyway. And if you liberals like PP so much, nothing is stopping you from funding it. So whats the problem?
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Please tell Paul Ryan to tuck defunding PP inside repeal ACA.

Especially after the piss-poor week the GOP just had .
 
Nap said:
I'm curious to know how many of the people upset over the defunding of PP (which will not shut them down) due to all the women they help, are outraged over the people who forced Eric Trump to suspend his charity providing millions of dollars for the St.Jude Children's hospital due to possible complications.
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You should start a thread on that blatant diversion from the OP content .
 
NIMBY said:
Please tell Paul Ryan to tuck defunding PP inside repeal ACA.

Especially after the piss-poor week the GOP just had .
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Does that respond to my post in some way?
 
Top Cat said:
Who pays for all the babies now that you righties are going to swell the numbers of folks on welfare?
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How about educating people not to have babies if they cannot afford them?

Preventative education.
 
Fletch said:
Wait, I thought Planned Parenthood didn't do all that many abortions and federal funds didn't go to that anyway. And if you liberals like PP so much, nothing is stopping you from funding it. So whats the problem?
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Your right-wing brethren are trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot. But you're ok with that, I take it.
 
Deuce said:
Your right-wing brethren are trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot. But you're ok with that, I take it.
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If it bothers you so much, you are free to donate your own money to the cause. Hell, you liberals were able to raise a billion dollars for Hillarys campaign, if womens health is so important to you guys, raise the money yourselves.
 
countryboy said:
Then why did you say funding was "threatened"?
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Money is fungible. They aren't spending government money directly on abortions, but the federal funding they get does free up the other sources of money so that it can be used for abortions.
 
Deuce said:
Your right-wing brethren are trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot. But you're ok with that, I take it.
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All PP has to do is stop performing abortions. They can then have all the money they need without right wing opposition for the rest. Is their performing abortions, so important to them that they are willing to risk all the rest of the good they do? Apparently.
 
Bucky said:
How about educating people not to have babies if they cannot afford them?

Preventative education.
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That would leave our poor little bleeding heart liberals with less to piss and moan about. In other words, they would become less relevant than they already are.
 
Deuce said:
Your right-wing brethren are trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot. But you're ok with that, I take it.
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Democrats are unwilling to compromise. Get rid of the abortion aspect of PP and Republicans would fully support the cancer screenings and prenatal care aspect of PP.

The reality is, an abundant of health care clinics and centers exist in the United States that can offer more services and do not present the moral stigma of death that is present in all PP mills.

Planned Parenthood is such an evil organization. An organization that promotes that death of babies. Such places not only need to be defunded, but further action needs to be taken.
 
buck said:
All PP has to do is stop performing abortions. They can then have all the money they need without right wing opposition for the rest. Is their performing abortions, so important to them that they are willing to risk all the rest of the good they do? Apparently.
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We know the answer to the question Buck (nice name BTW). Planned Parenthood exists because of abortions. The goal of PP is to kill life, not nurture it.
 
prometeus said:
The greatest asset for anyone are facts, yet here you are posting this ignorant tripe. Why not educate yourself a bit?
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The poster just merely suggested woman taking preventative measures that involve not killing to avoid pregnancy. Why are you against this?

If the pro-choice position is being a slave to your emotions and hormones and doing what feels good than I want nothing part of it.
 
celticwar17 said:
It certainly is mine... does more harm than good.
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I'm too much of a Christian to simply abandon people. Many Americans sole income is from social security and the government. This is a sad statement to the extreme however every human being on this earth has self worth and deserves redemption.
 
Bucky said:
I'm too much of a Christian to simply abandon people. Many Americans sole income is from social security and the government. This is a sad statement to the extreme however every human being on this earth has self worth and deserves redemption.
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Redemption comes from within.
 
Deuce said:
Your right-wing brethren are trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot. But you're ok with that, I take it.
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That's not true. The left wing brethern are trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot. But you're ok with that, I take it. All PP has to do is quit doing abortions but they would rather do them and lose federal funding than to provide other care for women. By the the way, the right wing is not trying to take away the money for cancer screenings and prenatal care and whatnot because they plan on redirecting the federal money taken away from PP and give it to other facilities which do. You are being dishonest.
 
buck said:
Money is fungible. They aren't spending government money directly on abortions, but the federal funding they get does free up the other sources of money so that it can be used for abortions.
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I know, that's my point. Libs argue endlessly in the abortion forum that federal dollars don't go towards abortions. Those same libs are now claiming abortion services are threatened if PP funding is cut. Can't have it both ways. ;)
 
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