Obama Pardons 78, Shortens Sentence for 153 Others

Anthony60 · Dec 22, 2016

JasperL said:
Not half or more drinkers - the customers of the typical liquor store. The point I was making is the vast majority of people who drink don't drink much at all - a couple drinks a week maybe. But alcoholics or problem drinkers consume something like 10 drinks a day. Here's one analysis:

So liquor stores, beer sellers, wine sellers - they all rely for the bulk (at least a majority) of their sales on people who consume more than 70 drinks a WEEK. Aka alcoholics.

I don't know if you've looked at the stats on the costs of alcoholism, but they're truly staggering - roughly 90,000 deaths per year, 10,000 deadly car crashes DUI, etc. So the differences between selling the drug alcohol versus many others aren't really different in principle as far as harm to USERS.

The shootings and the rest associated with illegal drugs are a direct and guaranteed, 100% certain, result of prohibition of those drugs. As long as the manufacture, distribution and sale of illegal drugs is done solely by criminals, we WILL HAVE THE VIOLENCE that comes with that.

All very nice, has nothing to do with what I was talking about. I must say, this information looks very strange to me. I'd have to see more on this before believing that alcoholics are supplying 2/3 of all beer sales. On the face of it, it looks ridiculous.

JasperL · Dec 22, 2016

Anthony60 said:
All very nice, has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

The point was the only real difference between that liquor store owner and a drug dealer is the violence, which WE GUARANTEE is a part of illegal drugs because we drive it underground to criminals. Certainly that seller of liquor should know he's killing people, if drug dealers are killing people (as opposed to people making a voluntary choice - I don't blame the dealers of liquor or other drugs).

I must say, this information looks very strange to me. I'd have to see more on this before believing that alcoholics are supplying 2/3 of all beer sales. On the face of it, it looks ridiculous.

I'm not sure about beer sales because most alcoholics drink liquor - too much volume with beer alone. But overall, the numbers look about right, and I've been there. At the end I was drinking, maybe 120oz of liquor (3.5 liters) and a case of beer PER WEEK, 52 weeks a year. How long you figure it takes a "normal" drinker to go through that? 3 per day, 21 per week is at the high end of normal, and I did 7 times that. I'm sure I drank more in a week than my wife does in a year. And talking with others like me over the years in meetings, I wasn't unusual.