Kellyanne Conway: CIA report on Russian election meddling ‘laughable and ridiculous'

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jmotivator said:

An article that links to external sources deserves consideration. If you can't operate outside of your ad hominem box then you really aren't here to debate.

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As riveting as this discussion is it would be more appropriate somewhere else.

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Moot said:

How does Kellyanne Conway know Russia wasn't involved? Who is her source and what factual evidence does she have to back up her assertion?


I would ask the same question of the CIA.

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What is laughable and ridiculous is Kellyanne Conway calling an investigative report by the CIA laughable and ridiculous.

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Don't flatter yourself

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I never do. I pointed out yet another thing about which you were clueless.

I am quite cognizant of how parties function.

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Yes, you made that very clear by claiming you have a right to know the internal affairs of a private organization.

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sanman said:

The coup in Ukraine basically tore up the Budapest agreement, because it was carried out illegally by those without any respect for the law.

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Perhaps you can point out where in the Budapest agreement is there any stipulation about how or who can have a coup in the Ukraine.

If that coup hadn't happened, there'd have been no Russian intervention. The Russian intervention was a response to the coup.

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A coup is an internal matter for any nation and no outside nation has a right to intervene in the internal affairs of another, with the exception of instances where genocide takes place. By your logic any time a coup take place somewhere another nation can go in and annex part of that nation.

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Beaudreaux said:

If Japan didn't want the US to have military bases on their soil, they shouldn't have tried to take over the entire Pacific Basin and attack the US forces in Hawaii, Guam, Wake Island and the British crown colony of Hong Kong while other Japanese units invaded the Philippines, Thailand and Malaya - - ALL on the same day, December 7th, 1941 in Hawaii, which was December 8th, 1941 for all the other locations because they were across the International Date Line.

Actions have consequences.

The US needs forward locations around the world, especially in the Pacific right now with the way China is acting in the China Sea by building islands and then putting military assets on those islands, and the way North Korea has been acting by building more nukes and working on development of an intercontinental ballistic missile capable of hitting the US mainland.

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Its been sixty years plus. Its time to revisit the treaty they have mutual interests and they could and should help defend them. Besides it will give they Chinese one more nation to really worry about and it will improve our relations with Japan.

As far as North Korea a very overt and unpleasant act of bullying is called for. We should do a nuclear test at night with a large yield weapon were a large portion of the population of North Korea will see. We do that in conjunction with a large scale raids to drop leaflets informing their population to when and why it occurred. Make very clear we are flexing our muscles in response to their stupidity and what the consequences will be. I think we also need to pry North Korea out of China's sphere of influence and see if we can reunite North and South Korea. We do it by large scale propaganda campaigns, and by influencing the leaders in power that are willing to be listen. In short some dirty pool is called for.

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Cardinal said:

Do you have a non-crap source for that claim?



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Journal_Review

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How about ABC news? They reported....

"Driving the allegation is a report by the Government Accountability Institute, a conservative research group, that analyzed the number of times a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) was formally listed on Obama's schedule since the beginning of his term in 2009.

The group says it examined the publicly available records for the first 1,225 days of the Obama presidency - from Jan. 23, 2009 through March, 31 2012 - and found a PDB on just 536 of those days, or less than half the time.

In the first five months of 2012, a PDB was listed on Obama's schedule just 58 days, or 38 percent of the time, the report says. The group claims former President George W. Bush almost always had a briefing on his public docket.

The White House does not directly dispute the numbers, but insists they are a "selective representation of the facts."

Is President Obama 'Skipping' Intelligence Briefings? - ABC News

Now, I understand that Obama whined about being outed for this, but none the less the record is clear....

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Its funny with the current talking point of 'fake news' so many on the left are committed to 'fake news'. Leftists began using Russia almost a year ago as a scapegoat for their failures. When the DNC emails were leaked, rather than addressing the damning content every leftist in the public eye started shrieking and wailing about the Russians as if a-they had proof that the Russians were even involved (they didnt) and b-somehow the source of the emails were more important than the content that was leaked. All they are doing now is continuing their tactic. And luckily for the leftists in the political arena, they know all they have to do is make the allegation and their supporters will lap up everything they spew.



Sure...its a really damning commentary on the disgusting state of the DNC...but you know whats really important...the Russians. The Russians! The Russians!!!

What EVIDENCE do you have? Well...you know...the Russians. Yes but what EVEIDENCE do you have? Russians. Russia. Russia and the Russians.



The Russians, BTW...you know...

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j-mac said:

How about ABC news? They reported....

"Driving the allegation is a report by the Government Accountability Institute, a conservative research group, that analyzed the number of times a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) was formally listed on Obama's schedule since the beginning of his term in 2009.

The group says it examined the publicly available records for the first 1,225 days of the Obama presidency - from Jan. 23, 2009 through March, 31 2012 - and found a PDB on just 536 of those days, or less than half the time.

In the first five months of 2012, a PDB was listed on Obama's schedule just 58 days, or 38 percent of the time, the report says. The group claims former President George W. Bush almost always had a briefing on his public docket.

The White House does not directly dispute the numbers, but insists they are a "selective representation of the facts."

Is President Obama 'Skipping' Intelligence Briefings? - ABC News

Now, I understand that Obama whined about being outed for this, but none the less the record is clear....

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From your link (yes, I will accept that):

But the substance of the charge, aimed at undermining Obama's credibility as commander in chief, appears to be more a matter of semantics than hard fact.

Driving the allegation is a report by the Government Accountability Institute, a conservative research group, that analyzed the number of times a Presidential Daily Briefing (PDB) was formally listed on Obama's schedule since the beginning of his term in 2009.

The group says it examined the publicly available records for the first 1,225 days of the Obama presidency - from Jan. 23, 2009 through March, 31 2012 - and found a PDB on just 536 of those days, or less than half the time.

In the first five months of 2012, a PDB was listed on Obama's schedule just 58 days, or 38 percent of the time, the report says. The group claims former President George W. Bush almost always had a briefing on his public docket.

The White House does not directly dispute the numbers, but insists they are a "selective representation of the facts." Obama has never "skipped" a Presidential Daily Briefing, aides say, even if an in-person briefing isn't listed on his schedule.

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The Russians...did you know...whats really important...I mean...THE RUSSIANS....

This is so leftist. So we may or may not have a problem with "The Russians"...but how the **** can you believe ANYTHING about ANY of this with the DNC lies and tap dance?

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Cardinal said:

From your link (yes, I will accept that):

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Yes, like I said, the WH didn't dispute the numbers, just whined that they were cherry picked....wah, wah, wah.....Liberals, or Obama would do this to a republican in a NY second if they could, hence the attack against Trump before he even gets into office.....Trump actually made a good point yesterday on FNS....."Trump also responded to criticism that he opts not to receive his daily intelligence briefing every day.

He said he did not "need to be told the same thing every day" but that he is on-call at "one-minute's" notice if something changes that he must deal with."

'I Don't Believe It': Trump Responds to CIA Report of Russian Interference | Fox News Insider

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sanman said:

You talkin about the Obama-Messiah?

He Who Gets Nobels Before Doing Anything? Based on his Prophesized Greatness?

And what did he accomplish in the end? Nothing. The prophecies were fake, and the False Messiah accomplished nothing but eroding the country.



He's the only one in the Republican party who had the courage to slam Bush for messing up Iraq - and for that, he's taken huge flak from the GOP establishment - including NeoCons and also the same John McCain who's now calling for hearings (how convenient)




Cornerstone allies like Britain are being abandoned, along with Anglo-Americanism, thanks to Obama who says Britain will have to wait in the back of the line, or sit in the back of the bus.
How strongly has Obama stood by allies like Israel, by put to nuclear status?




Your beloved Europeans were in no way happy at Dubya's reckless interventionism.








ISIS is all over the place there - and like Taliban, they don't need to be building castles out of the sand - all they have to do is host extremists and militant training camps to pose a threat to the wider world.



Ahh, "liberal" racism - my race is the most important factor for you - and this is all promoted in the name of your high-minded "liberal" agenda, is it? Don't make me laugh. :lol:

Admit it - you self-proclaimed "liberals" aren't really liberal at all. It's all just a game played by narrow special interest lobbies like yours.

There are plenty of non-white people who support Trump - Latinos, Hispanics, Blacks, Asians - you'd just like to keep peddling lies to the contrary. And of course if any of us step out of line, you'll immediately start making racially-charged attacks in a desperate attempt to get us back into line. Your self-proclaimed morality is a hollow farce.




And you have this mania for believing Russians are inherently evil? Maybe the Russian part of you is just for bragging rights?
I have Russian and Ukrainian friends. Maybe you should talk to some real Russians and Ukrainians some time. Most don't want to see continued hostilities between Ukraine and Russia - there are more similarities than differences.




Because you no longer have Communism as your basis for advocating war with Russia, now it's the "Evil of Russia Itself" which you seek to fight?

Good luck with that - feel free to pick up a rifle and swim over there - but you won't be able to count on dragging everyone over there with you.

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No, I mean the Trump "Messiah". You know, the one who defrauds people of their money.

No, he's the only one dumb enough to claim that he opposed the war before hand, with absolutely no proof that that was the truth, and then go on to blatantly show that he doesn't give a damn about our security and allies. Just like you don't.

The horror! It's almost like they actually care about our country. Unlike your hero Trump.

How is Britain being "abandoned"? More of the same kind of paranoid fantasizing oh so common on the far right. I do believe I saw a similar claim on a picture of one of those placards which showed up in Dallas prior to JFK's killing.

Sanctions have not worked. If you've got an alternative idea how to stop Iran, well, you better start talking.

The German occupation of Yugoslavia was the only thing keeping Yugoslavia from boiling over into the exact same thing. By your own argument the Allies shouldn't have forced them out since brutal dictators and mass killings are better then chaos. Right?

Have you ever heard of chemical weapons? They are considered weapons of mass destruction, and Iraq very clearly had them. Saddam also did pretty much everything in his power to make us think he was responsible--- ever see the commemorative billboard he had done celebrating 9/11?

Powell resigned because when a policy becomes unpopular people resign to placate the masses. It's just the way politics works. There's no hidden meaning.

ISIS is weak. They are no serious threat to the US, despite your fantasizing.

No, it's not. Sorry to spoil your argument with nobody. But your cultural upbringing has obviously blinded you to reality. And with every post it becomes more and more blatant.

Stupidity knows no racial boundary, I know.

I have this "mania" for not rolling over like Putin's doggy every time he decides he wants a chunk of another country. I have this "mania" for not ignoring crimes. I have this "mania" for not being a apologist for a nasty dicatator. It's rather telling you see opposition to Putin and assume that I think all Russians are evil. It's rather laughable, actually, and doesn't reflect well on you.

Then perhaps Russia should stop sponsoring insurgents in the Ukraine, because right now that's a rather large sticking point.

Go back to arguing with yourself, because clearly you aren't arguing with anybody in reality.

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j-mac said:

Yes, like I said, the WH didn't dispute the numbers, just whined that they were cherry picked....wah, wah, wah.....Liberals, or Obama would do this to a republican in a NY second if they could, hence the attack against Trump before he even gets into office.....Trump actually made a good point yesterday on FNS....."Trump also responded to criticism that he opts not to receive his daily intelligence briefing every day.

He said he did not "need to be told the same thing every day" but that he is on-call at "one-minute's" notice if something changes that he must deal with."

'I Don't Believe It': Trump Responds to CIA Report of Russian Interference | Fox News Insider

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The White House does not directly dispute the numbers, but insists they are a "selective representation of the facts." Obama has never "skipped" a Presidential Daily Briefing, aides say, even if an in-person briefing isn't listed on his schedule.

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prometeus said:

I never do. I pointed out yet another thing about which you were clueless.

Yes, you made that very clear by claiming you have a right to know the internal affairs of a private organization.

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Like usual you prove nothing but declare much.

Everybody that makes the mistake of trying to reason with the unreasoning, with such blindness of the other side understand this to be the continuing problem.

Yes, I most certainly do believe we needed to know what was going on. If it affects, and it did/does, who was to be chosen to be leading MY beloved country as well as the rest of the free world through some very perilous times, especially after this last 8 years of sliding down a deeper and deeper a dangerously entered hole, well that affects everyone I know and on into our posterity. I have a right, more to the point I have an obligation to our posterity, to know in detail the truth behind the curtain wherein the shenanigans by the now known unscrupulous and the untrustworthy, of all the collusion by a corrupted media, the inner dealings of a corrupted party, the vast dealings by a person, a now known criminal, that was being presented to us as competent, accomplished and honest...

Damned straight. And if there had been a R behind all these various intertwined culprits names instead of a D, you would be here saying the same thing. Screaming it, much louder than we are matter-of-factly presenting this slam dunk case.

Election is over, moveon.org needs to move on, period.

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Cardinal said:

The White House does not directly dispute the numbers, but insists they are a "selective representation of the facts." Obama has never "skipped" a Presidential Daily Briefing, aides say, even if an in-person briefing isn't listed on his schedule.

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I said I saw it...So, I will repeat myself since that seems to be the game you are playing today....

"Yes, like I said, the WH didn't dispute the numbers, just whined that they were cherry picked....wah, wah, wah.....Liberals, or Obama would do this to a republican in a NY second if they could, hence the attack against Trump before he even gets into office.....Trump actually made a good point yesterday on FNS....."Trump also responded to criticism that he opts not to receive his daily intelligence briefing every day.

He said he did not "need to be told the same thing every day" but that he is on-call at "one-minute's" notice if something changes that he must deal with."

'I Don't Believe It': Trump Responds to CIA Report of Russian Interference | Fox News Insider

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j-mac said:

I said I saw it...So, I will repeat myself since that seems to be the game you are playing today....

"Yes, like I said, the WH didn't dispute the numbers, just whined that they were cherry picked....wah, wah, wah.....Liberals, or Obama would do this to a republican in a NY second if they could, hence the attack against Trump before he even gets into office.....Trump actually made a good point yesterday on FNS....."Trump also responded to criticism that he opts not to receive his daily intelligence briefing every day.

He said he did not "need to be told the same thing every day" but that he is on-call at "one-minute's" notice if something changes that he must deal with."

'I Don't Believe It': Trump Responds to CIA Report of Russian Interference | Fox News Insider

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So you're relying on semantics delivered by a biased organization for your opinion.

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Cardinal said:

So you're relying on semantics delivered by a biased organization for your opinion.

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Come on, you HAVE TO have a better argument than this....:doh Sorry it isn't put out by NYTimes, or WaPo....Or any other liberal site that you would accept....Fact is, these are public numbers....They aren't biased....Even if Obama want's to plug his ears and repeat 'nuh uh' over and over.....

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Gaugingcatenate said:

Like usual you prove nothing

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Your usual denial of facts and reality does not change anything. You declared that you have a right to know the internal affairs of a private organization and you clearly do not. Your post is there for anyone to read what other proof does one need?

Yes, I most certainly do believe we needed to know what was going on.

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Yea, but we are still a nation of laws and no one has the right to the internal information of a private organization.

If it affects, and it did/does, who was to be chosen

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Then and only then you have the right to seek out any and all information about a candidate for public office, by any legal means.

to be leading MY beloved country

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This is not about Panama. People who love so much their country do not live in an other.

And if there had been a R behind all these various intertwined culprits names instead of a D, you would be here saying the same thing.

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Your ignorant assumption is just that.

Election is over, moveon.org needs to move on, period.

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WTF are y0u babbling about?

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https://twitter.com/Steven_Strauss/status/807784793031266304

Steven Strauss
‏@Steven_Strauss
Trump: Obama is a Kenyan Muslim
Fox: America needs to hear this

CIA: Putin tried to rig election for Trump
Fox: we can't broadcast rumors

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:lamo

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sanman said:

I'll let Justice Jeanine Pirro speak for me:






Russia is not the real threat. Russia has more in common with the West than ISIS or AlQaeda do.
The Russians can be negotiated with, but ISIS and AlQaeda can't be.

You're so desperate to make/keep Russia as your adversary, that you'll downplay the never-ending stream of terrorist attacks as "workplace violence".

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Well...the answer is OBVIOUS. Russia is our number one geopolitical threat. Obama has ALWAYS said that.

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VanceMack said:

Well...the answer is OBVIOUS. Russia is our number one geopolitical threat. Obama has ALWAYS said that.

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There is nothing inherently incompatible between Russian and American culture or interests. Prior to the Cold War, there was no special antagonism between the 2 countries. The problem is that a Cold War lobby has now built up, and they have a stake in preserving that war. So they continue to refer to Russia in dark, melodramatic language. They want their orthodoxy to be unassailable, unchallengable.

I've met/known various Russian and Ukrainian immigrants who've come over to the US, and there is no cultural gap between them and the rest of the West - the values are identical and indistinguishable as compared to other Europeans. This is in complete contrast to Muslims I've met and known. There is a huge gap in values between the Muslim world and the West - between the Muslim world and everybody else. There isn't a single society they haven't clashed with. Globalization has introduced the parasitism of those who reject assimilation.

I've known guys who keep their wives at home, barefoot and pregnant. And because I have the same brown skin as them, they'll happily confide in me that this is the way things should be. I knew a guy who'd never acknowledge anyone's birthday, because he felt it was blasphemy to celebrate anybody's b-day except the Prophet's. We once had a debate at work over equality of men and women in the eyes of God. He insisted to me with a straight face that even if a man and a woman were killed at the same time - say, in a car crash or plane crash - that the woman cannot be admitted into heaven until after the man has. The guy already had six kids at home, and was fine with having more, since he felt the govt would help him take care of them. I kid you not - I've known people like this - more than one.

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Cardinal said:

2,840,377 to be exact, but who's counting?

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That's -159,623 if you're counting on size slightly smaller than large fingers.

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prometeus said:

Your usual denial of facts and reality does not change anything. You declared that you have a right to know the internal affairs of a private organization and you clearly do not. Your post is there for anyone to read what other proof does one need?

Yea, but we are still a nation of laws and no one has the right to the internal information of a private organization.

Then and only then you have the right to seek out any and all information about a candidate for public office, by any legal means.

This is not about Panama. People who love so much their country do not live in an other.

Your ignorant assumption is just that.

WTF are y0u babbling about?

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I think we left it up to the American people. We decided.

They, we, very much wanted to know about the corrupt practices going on behind the curtains in the process.

And its OUR, the American people's PROCESS, we own that.

If the DNC does not want to play by the rules they themselves, for good reason, established in nominating and electing our highest servant of the people, too bad. Just like any corrupt enterprise, in this case rigging the nomination in favor of Hillary and against all those hard working, dedicated Sanders folk, robbing them of the just outcome and a fair fight to see who was to be our, this nation's Democratic nominee.

In this case also lowering the bar by colluding with those whose very job, in a democracy, is supposed to be the provision, by their own journalistic standards, of truthfulness, accuracy, objectivity, impartiality, fairness and public accountability...the American people have a right to expect and DEMAND even handed and above board practices to all candidates in the process. It is simply not Media's nor the DNC's perogative to assign us which candidate will win the nomination and then the general election. They do not choose nor have free license to create the winners and losers

So biased and discriminatory were they that WE, the people acted upon that news and penalized both.

Show me your posts from the past where you railed against the criminally illegal publishing by the corrupt NYTs of Trump's tax return. Then I will at least give your props, eh? We are a nation of laws and we are a nation of transparency and fair game playing. When one side starts co-opting the supposed impartial refs in the game, WE WANT TO KNOW. When one side starts rigging elections, WE WANT TO KNOW.

Besides, you have yet to prove anything specifically illegal has occurred much less who did it. WikiLeaks says the information was from an insider leak. Where is your proof otherwise? And if we were truly a nation of laws, Hillary would currently either be on trial for breaking national security and FOIA laws... or in jail since we already know she did break the laws.

And if you are so concerned about laws, who is in jail in the O bomb a administration for illegally targeting conservative groups in the IRS scandal? Bet you hated it when Gruber was outed for lying and advocating lying to the American public to get O bomb acare passed. At the same time, didn't you just love it when O bomb a feigned a love of transparency? What a joke. Your side only cares about the laws and transparency when those help make your argument.

As to where I live and how that relates to what I love, you have no ****ing idea. Trolling be your bag and sorry, not going for your goofy bait, being all you have... simply put, you are not even close to being worth it. You are just sad, dejected and mad because your criminal girl lost big time.

If you want a better candidate in 8 years, better start working on it NOW :lamo:lamo:lamo

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PirateMk1 said:

Its been sixty years plus. Its time to revisit the treaty they have mutual interests and they could and should help defend them. Besides it will give they Chinese one more nation to really worry about and it will improve our relations with Japan.

As far as North Korea a very overt and unpleasant act of bullying is called for. We should do a nuclear test at night with a large yield weapon were a large portion of the population of North Korea will see. We do that in conjunction with a large scale raids to drop leaflets informing their population to when and why it occurred. Make very clear we are flexing our muscles in response to their stupidity and what the consequences will be. I think we also need to pry North Korea out of China's sphere of influence and see if we can reunite North and South Korea. We do it by large scale propaganda campaigns, and by influencing the leaders in power that are willing to be listen. In short some dirty pool is called for.

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We were the victors in a war that the Japanese started. Historically, the vanquished country would have been annexed and become part of the victorious country. Yet, we didn't do that. We had allies that would have made it very difficult to divide the islands up between them. So, we chose to use the plan that allowed Japan to maintain sovereignty to a certain extent but still allowed the US to maintain military bases there.

We took most of the western parts of eastern parts of North America and the Ohio Valley from the Native Americans and French during the French and Indian War before we were the USA.


We took the original 13 colonies from the British during the American Revolutionary War.


We took most of what is now the western states from Mexico during the Mexican-American War.


We took Puerto Rico, part of Cuba, and the Philippine Islands from Spain during the Spanish American War. (we granted the Philippines independence in 1946)


Other than the Philippines, we haven't given back any territory that we have gained through war or treaty (I didn't list the territories gained by treaty).

In Japan, our military bases are there by both victory in war and treaty. Although technically free of charge, we pay the Japanese a rental fee for the property used in subsidies and other forms of payment (billions of dollars). We don't pay the Spanish for Puerto Rico, nor do we pay the British for the area taken as the original 13 colonies. Japan should be happy with the fact that we pay them rent on the land rather than just seizing it as spoils of war. The same goes regarding our bases for Germany, Italy, Iraq, Afghanistan, and other locations around the world where the US vanquished belligerent nations in war.

As long as the bases the US has around the world are of strategic benefit to the US, we should keep them.

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The Right Sector in USA are upset and swarming in defense of the commonality of Putin and Trump as it is being identified, presented, critiqued, analyzed, evaluated, examined. The Right Sector doesn't like the commonalities presented that connect and establish to common threads that put Putin and Trump in the same political fields...


The quote is insightful...


“When you hear the word Fascism you always have to ask yourself: what are they talking about, how are they using the word?” Oxford University Professor Roger Griffin, one of the world’s foremost scholars of Fascism, once warned in a 2012 interview. “The word ‘Fascist’ can be a simple way of insulting somebody.”

A more precise definition of Fascism, according to Griffin, is a political ideology with three broad elements: populist ultra-nationalism, the claim that the country has become soft or ‘decadent,’ and a “rebirth myth.” The third is the promise, typically made by Fascist leaders, to restore a country to some sort of former greatness, usually taken from it treacherously by its enemies, either external or internal.

American scholar Robert Paxton has identified other elements of Fascism, including an obsession with reversing national decline, usually blamed on betrayal, through restriction of civil liberties, purification of the people, military strength, and national expansion. The rebirth myth is a near-constant theme for Putin, who has for years now been feeding the Russian people a steady narrative about the global conspiracy to weaken Russia, and the need to rise to greatness again.


Putin Isn’t Reviving the USSR, He’s Creating a Fascist State | The Fiscal Times



Trump who defends and speaks positively of Putin is also a nativist, a nationalist, a populist, the uniquely American irredentist purifier; the guy who will end the decline and restore the promise, who will re-establish the greatness now declared to be gone, deliver and restore the rebirth of the original nation and society; build walls, ban the outsiders to keep them outside, limit and restrict a mainstream media seen as destroying the United States; and to surpress all of the evil forces within that cynically exploit the electorate for their own liberal purposes that are rooted in a conscious and willful leftist betrayal of the country...and much more.

The Right Sector in the USA is moving forcefully now to seize the time by advocating a new and symbiotic relationship with Putin and Putin's Russia, led in the United States by a Potus Donald Trump.

At the center of it with the new SecState designate Rex Tillerson of Exxon Mobile is the Right Sector and its globally intertwined and interdependent corporatism of business and finance. Trump, his White House, his cabinet, his financiers, friends, supporters, need globalism but on their own terms of competition rather than via integrated cooperation.

All of it combined and more constitute the new 21st century global Right. The Right Sector in the United States are charging hard now that they have their guy in Donald Trump. The advocacy by the Right Sector is fierce, persistent, determined and unrelenting. They know now is their time and that it is now or never for 'em.

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Bucky said:

Guys, this is real life. This isn't 24 or a movie. Russia is a paper tiger. They don't have the abilities or intelligence to interfere with an election. Putin's is Trumps puppet. This idea that Russia is meddling in our elections is laughable.

This is a media created story to drive ratings.

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Hey Bucky :wave:


Was wondering how you felt about this today, given that Trump has now admitted it.