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Trump Considering Gen. James 'Mad Dog' Mattis for defense secretary

Beaudreaux said:
One of the most well thought out and succinct posts that describes the true nature of any issue that I've read in a while. Well done.
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only he got absolutely nothing right within that post
the sanctions are what motivated iran to agree to negotiate elimination of its ability to approach nuclear capability
there is NO basis to exercise a military option because iran no longer has the capacity to develop nuclear weapons
eliminating the danctions does not aid iran's capability to re-engage nuclear research because the negotiated agreement places monitors throughout iran's infrastructure so that the west would be alerted to a resumption of nuclear development activities

what is stunning is how many will ignore the facts and instead circulate unfounded opinions that have nothing to do with reality
 
Mac77 said:
Obama purged the military of good leadership and replaced them with liberal Gofor's

And I bet Mattis knows who all of the obama flunkies are.
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that comment illustrates exactly why the seven year recusal period is important to retain
so an asshole like mattis could not return under a political appointment to inflict payback he could not deal out while on active duty
 
justabubba said:
only he got absolutely nothing right within that post
the sanctions are what motivated iran to agree to negotiate elimination of its ability to approach nuclear capability
there is NO basis to exercise a military option because iran no longer has the capacity to develop nuclear weapons
eliminating the danctions does not aid iran's capability to re-engage nuclear research because the negotiated agreement places monitors throughout iran's infrastructure so that the west would be alerted to a resumption of nuclear development activities

what is stunning is how many will ignore the facts and instead circulate unfounded opinions that have nothing to do with reality
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I'm not sure what's blinding you to the truth here bubba, but something sure is.
 
justabubba said:
that comment illustrates exactly why the seven year recusal period is important to retain
so an asshole like mattis could not return under a political appointment to inflict payback he could not deal out while on active duty
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I hope mattis gets the chance to be the biggest asshole that obama flunkies in the pentagon ever saw
 
justabubba said:
only he got absolutely nothing right within that post
the sanctions are what motivated iran to agree to negotiate elimination of its ability to approach nuclear capability
there is NO basis to exercise a military option because iran no longer has the capacity to develop nuclear weapons
eliminating the danctions does not aid iran's capability to re-engage nuclear research because the negotiated agreement places monitors throughout iran's infrastructure so that the west would be alerted to a resumption of nuclear development activities

what is stunning is how many will ignore the facts and instead circulate unfounded opinions that have nothing to do with reality
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There are 2 things here - Iran's technological capability to cross the nuclear threshold (measured as its "breakout time") - and then there's its economic capacity to sustain itself from external sanctions pressures once it decides to go for breakout.

The sanctions regime that had been in place prior to the Iran Deal had eroded Iran's economy to the point where it was barely getting by, and wouldn't be able to withstand any additional pressure such as economic blockade, if it decided to go for breakout.

Now, with this Iran Deal, the Iranian regime has been re-charging and re-stockpiling, even while it continues to barely abide by the deal (in fact, they are transgressing here and there - like with the heavy water overproduction - to keep testing its boundaries). Once the Iranians decide they've re-charged and re-stockpiled enough, and that the moment is right (perhaps international community is distracted by some other crisis), then the Iranians will quickly try to make a mad-dash for breakout - ie. cross the nuclear threshold. At that point they'll be in a more robust situation economically to do so, because of having been able to re-charge and re-stockpile their economy from the Iran Deal. They'll have built up an extra reserve in anticipation, to help tide them over while the world ratchets up the pressure on them.
 
sanman said:
There are 2 things here - Iran's technological capability to cross the nuclear threshold (measured as its "breakout time") - and then there's its economic capacity to sustain itself from external sanctions pressures once it decides to go for breakout.

The sanctions regime that had been in place prior to the Iran Deal had eroded Iran's economy to the point where it was barely getting by, and wouldn't be able to withstand any additional pressure such as economic blockade, if it decided to go for breakout.

Now, with this Iran Deal, the Iranian regime has been re-charging and re-stockpiling, even while it continues to barely abide by the deal (in fact, they are transgressing here and there - like with the heavy water overproduction - to keep testing its boundaries). Once the Iranians decide they've re-charged and re-stockpiled enough, and that the moment is right (perhaps international community is distracted by some other crisis), then the Iranians will quickly try to make a mad-dash for breakout - ie. cross the nuclear threshold. At that point they'll be in a more robust situation economically to do so, because of having been able to re-charge and re-stockpile their economy from the Iran Deal. They'll have built up an extra reserve in anticipation, to help tide them over while the world ratchets up the pressure on them.
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you seem unable/unwilling to appreciate the extensive monitoring apparatus the west now has in iran. if there is an attempt to breakout, we will know in abundant time to address it either diplomatically, or if that fails, militarily

what you advocate is the approach that worked so well with north korea
 
justabubba said:
you seem unable/unwilling to appreciate the extensive monitoring apparatus the west now has in iran. if there is an attempt to breakout, we will know in abundant time to address it either diplomatically, or if that fails, militarily

what you advocate is the approach that worked so well with north korea
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The issue is not that Iran will secretly do its mad-dash to nuclearization without anyone knowing. The issue is that once they start their mad-dash they'll be strong enough that nobody will be able to stop them, even while being aware.

This Iran Deal hasn't put any freeze on Iran's military development, including its Ballistic Missile program, which would be key to delivery of any WMD.

North Korea has a sugardaddy called China - as long as China continues to back North Korea, it's not possible to isolate it sufficiently. Iran has no such sugardaddy to help it - except for Obama.
 
justabubba said:
only he got absolutely nothing right within that post
the sanctions are what motivated iran to agree to negotiate elimination of its ability to approach nuclear capability
there is NO basis to exercise a military option because iran no longer has the capacity to develop nuclear weapons
eliminating the danctions does not aid iran's capability to re-engage nuclear research because the negotiated agreement places monitors throughout iran's infrastructure so that the west would be alerted to a resumption of nuclear development activities

what is stunning is how many will ignore the facts and instead circulate unfounded opinions that have nothing to do with reality
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What fantasy land are you living in? The only way your post is correct is if we believe the PR that Iran is presenting, there is no reason to believe that is true.
 
OpportunityCost said:
What fantasy land are you living in? The only way your post is correct is if we believe the PR that Iran is presenting, there is no reason to believe that is true.
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There is every reason for my position to be valid
There are monitors from the 5+1 who are watching what the Iranians do
And thus far it appears that the Iranians have been compliant with the terms of the agreement
 
justabubba said:
There is every reason for my position to be valid
There are monitors from the 5+1 who are watching what the Iranians do
And thus far it appears that the Iranians have been compliant with the terms of the agreement
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LOL, they have already proven over and over they can and will evade verification. Which makes your opinion and your post wish casting, and not realistic.
 
justabubba said:
you seem unable/unwilling to appreciate the extensive monitoring apparatus the west now has in iran. if there is an attempt to breakout, we will know in abundant time to address it either diplomatically, or if that fails, militarily

what you advocate is the approach that worked so well with north korea
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Sure, they only have to wait 24 days while the Iranians clean up the site before they can go in. Some verification.
 
OpportunityCost said:
LOL, they have already proven over and over they can and will evade verification. Which makes your opinion and your post wish casting, and not realistic.
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share with us the information you believe shows the world that the iranians are violating the agreement not to develop nuclear weapons
 
justabubba said:
share with us the information you believe shows the world that the iranians are violating the agreement not to develop nuclear weapons
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The number od treaty violations that got them the sanctions in the first damned place. There is this thing I want to introduce you to, its called reality.
 
sanman said:
The issue is not that Iran will secretly do its mad-dash to nuclearization without anyone knowing. The issue is that once they start their mad-dash they'll be strong enough that nobody will be able to stop them, even while being aware.

This Iran Deal hasn't put any freeze on Iran's military development, including its Ballistic Missile program, which would be key to delivery of any WMD.

North Korea has a sugardaddy called China - as long as China continues to back North Korea, it's not possible to isolate it sufficiently. Iran has no such sugardaddy to help it - except for Obama.
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So you want war then?
 
PoS said:
So you want war then?
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No, as I just said, the Iran Deal enhances the likelihood of war, rather than continuing to erode Iran's economic strength. The fall in energy prices due to fracking and the ensuing Saudi response by flooding the markets, have both badly damaged Iran's economy. A continuation of this through Trump's energy deregulation plan could turn Iran's govt into the next Venezuela.
 
PoS said:
Yup, invasion of Iran here we come!
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It's either that or this :2usflag:


General Mattis Crosses Potomac With 100,000 Troops; President, Senate Flee City


WASHINGTON — In an unprecedented turn in American history, retired Marine Gen. James C. Mattis crossed the Potomac Wednesday at high noon with an army over one hundred thousand strong.

This number includes at least ten infantry legions, several aviation and artillery legions, and multiple cavalry armored tank cohorts. On wading ashore the final yards to touch land in Washington, Gen. Mattis was welcomed by retired LTG Michael Flynn.

“I come in peace, by myself, in order to hand-deliver a Memorandum of Concern to the Commander in Chief and the Senate,” said Mattis in a press conference. “I am moving on foot at a leisurely pace, with no ill will. If these American citizens choose to take a stroll with me, then who am I to turn down their companionship?

James Caesar Mattis was apparently done waiting, and crossed the Potomac on landing craft, escorted shoulder to shoulder by a personal honor guard Marine Raider Regiment. However, after setting fire to the National Archives and sabotaging key infrastructure, the cabinet and most members of the Senate fled north toward New York and Boston in cars, vans and whatever other vehicles they could commandeer.

President Donald J. Trump has not been seen since early yesterday morning, but sources inside the State Department confirm that he is on a scheduled goodwill trip to Switzerland, which was kept from the press for safety reasons. President Trump's travel schedule has not been released to pool reporters.

General Mattis Crosses Potomac With 100,000 Troops; President, Senate Flee City


USA needs an iron law that no retired general can become secretary of defense. Not ever.
 
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OpportunityCost said:
The number od treaty violations that got them the sanctions in the first damned place. There is this thing I want to introduce you to, its called reality.
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as suspected, you have nothing with which to form your uninformed opinion

this reality you speak of consists of representatives of the 5+1 serving as monitors within iran, stationed to identify any violations of the agreement

https://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/news/2016/10/1/un-says-iran-abiding-by-nuclear-deal
 
justabubba said:
what is the point of even having a seven year recusal period if only to waive it
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do you know how many Obama staff members got waivers because they had problems with their background checks-mainly five years of absolutely no drug use?
 
sanman said:
No, as I just said, the Iran Deal enhances the likelihood of war, rather than continuing to erode Iran's economic strength. The fall in energy prices due to fracking and the ensuing Saudi response by flooding the markets, have both badly damaged Iran's economy. A continuation of this through Trump's energy deregulation plan could turn Iran's govt into the next Venezuela.
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Iran is not Venezuela so that's just silly. The sanctions did have an effect, but nowhere near as badly as you claim. I am not a fan of Obama but he chose the right path with Iran- there is no need to make more enemies in that region.
 
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