Turkish President Erdogan to appear on 60 Minutes

Mullah Erdogan (the Creep in 'Creeping Sharia') to appear on '60 minutes' tomorrow/Sunday Night in USA.

The man with the Second largest Military in NATO, 8th largest in the World, is Blaming the USA for Syria.
He hasn't done anything but use the Civil War/ISIS to bomb the Kurds and...
Arrest over 110,000+ people since the failed Coup.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...up-arrests-post1066509578.html#post1066509578

This whack job has arrested not just Military ('only' 7000), but all opposition: Police, Judges (2300), Lawyers, Professors, Students, and Reporters. Free Press has been 95% wiped out
Kim il-Erdogan Leads the world in reporters in Prison.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...0-000-post-coup-arrests-2.html#post1066562466

And yet, this Megalomaniac who had a ring-side seat for the Syria debacle, and the military to handle it, (and NATO member responsibilty TO handle it) will get to go on '60 minutes' to dress down the USA.


Turkish President Erdogan to appear on 60 Minutes
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey says that he is "disillusioned" about U.S. policy on a number of issues
Nov 18, 2016
Turkish President Erdogan: Obama/Biden "Failed To Rise To the Occasion" - CBS News

The president of one of America’s key allies tells Steve Kroft he is disillusioned. In an interview for 60 Minutes, Turkey’s president, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, criticized the U.S. for giving sanctuary to and drawing out the extradition process of his political rival, an Islamist cleric named Fethullah Gulen. Erdoğan blames the cleric, who lives in Pennsylvania -- and his followers -- for the military coup attempt that almost toppled Turkey’s government in July.

Erdoğan also says the U.S. has failed to handle the Syrian civil war and its effects on his country to his satisfaction. The Turkish leader Erdoğan’s interview is part of Kroft’s story about Turkey’s role in U.S. foreign policy as Donald Trump prepares to take over the White House."..."

On Syria, Erdoğan says U.S. policy has led to a clear and present security threat on his southern border, interfered with his ability to defend his country and inundated Turkey with nearly three million refugees. Twice the number that has flooded into Europe.

“We have addressed these issues, discussed them with President Obama and Vice President Biden. They failed to rise to the occasion and handle these issues seriously. This is quite upsetting for us,” says Erdoğan.
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mbig said:

Mullah Erdogan (the Creep in 'Creeping Sharia') to appear on '60 minutes' tomorrow/Sunday Night in USA.

The man with the Second largest Military in NATO, 8th largest in the World, is Blaming the USA for Syria.
He hasn't done anything but use the Civil War/ISIS to bomb the Kurds and...
Arrest over 110,000+ people since the failed Coup.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...up-arrests-post1066509578.html#post1066509578

This whack job has arrested not just Military ('only' 7000), but all opposition: Police, Judges (2300), Lawyers, Professors, Students, and Reporters. Free Press has been 95% wiped out
Kim il-Erdogan Leads the world in reporters in Prison.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...0-000-post-coup-arrests-2.html#post1066562466

And yet, this Megalomaniac who had a ring-side seat for the Syria debacle, and the military to handle it, (and NATO member responsibilty TO handle it) will get to go on '60 minutes' to dress down the USA.


Turkish President Erdogan to appear on 60 Minutes
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey says that he is "disillusioned" about U.S. policy on a number of issues
Nov 18, 2016
Turkish President Erdogan: Obama/Biden "Failed To Rise To the Occasion" - CBS News

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So basically he's going to tell facts about how the U.S. was providing money, training, and equipment to terrorists in Syria but he shouldn't because he's mean?

reinoe said:

So basically he's going to tell facts about how the U.S. was providing money, training, and equipment to terrorists in Syria but he shouldn't because he's mean?

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So basically he's going to be just another Blame-Obama partisan Hack, despite the fact this was, in good part, HIS mess to fix. As well as ostensible? state interest, he has the manpower (2nd largest behind USA in NATO) to have done a whole lot more about it.
It was Primarily his responsibility, especially with his opposition to Assad (calling him Hitler).
We don't blame him for Mexican illegal immigration.

Just imagine this guy and Trump in the same room.

mbig said:

It was Primarily his responsibility, especially with his opposition to Assad (calling him Hitler).

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Wait...so because he's opposed to Assad he should do what we did and align himself WITH literal, honest to God terrorists?

3 million refugees, that's a heavy burden for a country like turkey: the main culprits for this morass are Bachar and Putin whose armies are dropping blindly ordnances all over the place in Syria.

But crucially, Erdogan is the first to blame for letting foreign jihadists into Syria and now the consequences are coming back to roost, in terms of the refugees influx fleeing the civil war and in terms of ISIS spreading terror in Turkey.

This Sultan of a latter day has made mistakes after mistakes:

• turning his back on the kurds after they scored high in the latest election barring him from transforming Turkey into a presidential regime,
• aiding and abetting the jihadis in Syria,
• trading with ISIS,
• going after Syrian kurds who are the only boots on the ground who can vie with ISIS,
• etc.

The mess his country is becoming is his and his alone. And now he has the gal to put the blame on Obama!
I believe that Turkey thinks to much of the agency of the US when it comes to the military. It should learn to help itself and only then the US should assist.
Hopefully Donald J Trump we see to that.

mbig said:

Mullah Erdogan (the Creep in 'Creeping Sharia') to appear on '60 minutes' tomorrow/Sunday Night in USA.

The man with the Second largest Military in NATO, 8th largest in the World, is Blaming the USA for Syria.
He hasn't done anything but use the Civil War/ISIS to bomb the Kurds and...
Arrest over 110,000+ people since the failed Coup.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...up-arrests-post1066509578.html#post1066509578

This whack job has arrested not just Military ('only' 7000), but all opposition: Police, Judges (2300), Lawyers, Professors, Students, and Reporters. Free Press has been 95% wiped out
Kim il-Erdogan Leads the world in reporters in Prison.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/europ...0-000-post-coup-arrests-2.html#post1066562466

And yet, this Megalomaniac who had a ring-side seat for the Syria debacle, and the military to handle it, (and NATO member responsibilty TO handle it) will get to go on '60 minutes' to dress down the USA.


Turkish President Erdogan to appear on 60 Minutes
President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan of Turkey says that he is "disillusioned" about U.S. policy on a number of issues
Nov 18, 2016
Turkish President Erdogan: Obama/Biden "Failed To Rise To the Occasion" - CBS News

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The USA turned over responsibility to Turkey mostly to the EU. It is much like Yugoslavia, Georgia, Libya, Ukraine or Syria. They don't do well.

joG said:

The USA turned over responsibility to Turkey mostly to the EU. It is much like Yugoslavia, Georgia, Libya, Ukraine or Syria. They don't do well.

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Sigh.. your anti-EU bull**** knows no bounds... you should be ashamed of pushing these lies. Are you seriously blaming Yugoslavia, Georgia (thousands of km from the EU), Libya (not even on the same freaking continent, Ukraine and Syria on the EU?

reinoe said:

Wait...so because he's opposed to Assad he should do what we did and align himself WITH literal, honest to God terrorists?

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Wait!
So you had NO reply to the BULK of my post stating Erdogan was in position, had/has one of the planet's largest Militaries (#2 in NATO, #8 in World), watched the whole thing develop with their excellent on-ground intelligence.. and did NOTHING.
UNANSWERED by Reinoe.
He just picked the 'Assad Aside' instead!
Whifffff..

Turkish President Erdogan is a scumbag and a tyrant of the first magnitude.

Anything he says means nothing unless he has unbiased facts/data to back it up.

mbig said:

Wait!
So you had NO reply to the BULK of my post stating Erdogan was in position, had/has one of the planet's largest Militaries (#2 in NATO, #8 in World), watched the whole thing develop with their excellent on-ground intelligence.. and did NOTHING.
UNANSWERED by Reinoe.
He just picked the 'Assad Aside' instead!
Whifffff..

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Just because Assad is an asshole doesn't mean you remove him from power. Herp a derp...because everyone on the planet except people in the U.S. who want worldwide neverending wars knows that if you remove someone from power that creates a ridiculous power vacuum that needs to be filled and require decades long nation-buiding and occupation. So yes ASSAD ASIDE indeed.

reinoe said:

Just because Assad is an asshole doesn't mean you remove him from power. Herp a derp...because everyone on the planet except people in the U.S. who want worldwide neverending wars knows that if you remove someone from power that creates a ridiculous power vacuum that needs to be filled and require decades long nation-buiding and occupation. So yes ASSAD ASIDE indeed.

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This is INcoherent.. again.
I pointed out my post was hardly just about Assad, it was just an aside, so/DOH!....
you respond again on Assad.
I was talking the whole situation, including ISIS.
I pointed out Turkey's very large standing Army (#2 in NATO/#8 Worldwide) did virtually NOTHING to that group operating along their very border.
Instead, we have Erdogan blaming the USA for not seeing or handling the problem arisen right under their knowing and capable noses.
Try and post coherently, and avoid 'Monica' if possible.

mbig said:

This is INcoherent.. again.
I pointed out my post was hardly just about Assad, it was just an aside, so/DOH!....
you respond again on Assad.
I was talking the whole situation, including ISIS.
I pointed out Turkey's very large standing Army (#2 in NATO/#8 Worldwide) did virtually NOTHING to that group operating along their very border.
Instead, we have Erdogan blaming the USA for not seeing or handling the problem arisen right under their knowing and capable noses.
Try and post coherently, and avoid 'Monica' if possible.

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Nobody in their right mind thought Turkey would fight ISIS. Nobody in their right mind thinks the nations in the Gulf, or any of the other countries in the ME who have been outright exporting terrorism and turning a blind eye to it expects any of those countries in the Middle East to fight ISIS in any serious manner.

None of that changes the fact that the U.S. government saw a bad situation and made it worse by providing money, training, and equipment to help spread even more terrorism. Everyone who is even remotely aware of middle eastern politics, which unfortunately includes none of the decision makers in Washington D.C., knows that the Turks hate the kurds and have since forever and a day. Everyone who is even remotely aware of middle-eastern politics knows that the KURDS were the only reliable fighting force that we COULD have allied with from D1.

However emphasis on "were" and "could" because we blew our load arming terrorist who wound up fighting against the Kurds in Syria, we turned a blind eye to Turkey who was focusing like a laser on the Kurds, and we ignored the fact that Nouri-Al Malika was doing his damndest to marginalize the Kurds.

Now after nearly 20 years of throwing our support to pretty much everyone in the Middle East except one of the few potential reliable fighting forces in in the region the bureaucrats are finally realizing that THE KURDS would have made a great ally: except the Kurds aren't stupid. Even if we help the Kurds at this point they're going to hate America because our politicians made it very clear it doesn't matter whether the Kurds are slaughtered to the last man. It's too late to ally with the Kurds now that that ship has sailed.

There is no "win" for us in the Middle east. The allies we have now, from the Sauds, to Turkey, to Pakistan, are a bunch of ****ing scumbags. If they're not outright supporting terrorists, they're turning a blind eye to it. And we've ruined the possibility of having reliable allies by letting Iraq turn into a mess, ignoring the Kurds, providing for the overthrow of Gaddaffi, and allowing Egypt to turn to ****. We need to crush ISIS and then re-asses why we're actually allying with the likes of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

So yes, once again Erdogan is right to criticize our foreign policy bungling. We created a problem right under his nose but he obviously has no reason to take care of said problem. He's going to continue scapegoating the Kurds and attacking them. He has no reason to fight ISIS. We could crush ISIS if we weren't so busy trying to overthrow Assad.

It shows that NATO are increasingly becoming a bunch of misfits. Turkey, the 2nd-largest military power in NATO are in the midst of some crazy coup. Germany's leadership are trying to suck in more refugees to stay in power (immigration coup?)
The Brits are already Brexiting. The whole thing is already bursting at the seams, because it's outlived its useful life.

And all they can do in reply to criticism, is to start shrieking and accusing you of "HATE" and "RACISM", like a bunch of mentalcases.

reinoe said:

Nobody in their right mind thought Turkey would fight ISIS. Nobody in their right mind thinks the nations in the Gulf, or any of the other countries in the ME who have been outright exporting terrorism and turning a blind eye to it expects any of those countries in the Middle East to fight ISIS in any serious manner.

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There is no "win" for us in the Middle east. The allies we have now, from the Sauds, to Turkey, to Pakistan, are a bunch of ****ing scumbags. If they're not outright supporting terrorists, they're turning a blind eye to it. And we've ruined the possibility of having reliable allies by letting Iraq turn into a mess, ignoring the Kurds, providing for the overthrow of Gaddaffi, and allowing Egypt to turn to ****. We need to crush ISIS and then re-asses why we're actually allying with the likes of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan.

So yes, once again Erdogan is right to criticize our foreign policy bungling. We created a problem right under his nose but he obviously has no reason to take care of said problem. He's going to continue scapegoating the Kurds and attacking them. He has no reason to fight ISIS. We could crush ISIS if we weren't so busy trying to overthrow Assad.

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WE did Not "Create" anything.
The fact is, in virtually all these 'Arab Spring' situations, there are No good outcomes for us. The anti-dictator/strongman side usually has several factions of varying degree of Islamism. Oft 4/5-sided conflicts. So any 'winner' joins the status quo, as a "mistake." And today's good faction, allies with a bad faction, and now we've "armed terrorists."

All the while, the Saudis (sometimes with our help) and Turks (for their own reasons), are helping any anti-Assad forces. Now Everyone is a "terrorist supporter." But the blame lies nowhere more squarely than on Erdogan. HE had the best on-ground intelligence, and large local fighting force, and did NOTHING except use it as an excuse to kill more Kurds.
It, again, should be noted that Turkey is also a NATO member. It just doesn't act like it.

I also would like ally more strongly with the Kurds, who've shown more US-friendliness, and capability than anyone in the M-E.
But we need Turkey's strategic position and bases, so have sold them out many times. Reality Rex.

So we'll watch the man/Mullah-in-a-suit who would have been most able to stop the carnage, and stop it early, go on TV tonight and blame the the USA.

The Full 60 Minutes video (13+ mins), and transcript.

President Erdogan of Turkey's disillusionment with the U.S. - 60 Minutes - CBS News

Mullah Erdogan is encouraged by Trump's election and is hoping we send/extradite him another Opponent to add to his vast array of over 110,000 at least temporary detainees he's had since the July coup.
He's also making noises about amending Turkey's constitution so he can serve through 2029.
By that year it will be just he and Putin.

sanman said:

It shows that NATO are increasingly becoming a bunch of misfits. Turkey, the 2nd-largest military power in NATO are in the midst of some crazy coup. Germany's leadership are trying to suck in more refugees to stay in power (immigration coup?)
The Brits are already Brexiting. The whole thing is already bursting at the seams, because it's outlived its useful life.

And all they can do in reply to criticism, is to start shrieking and accusing you of "HATE" and "RACISM", like a bunch of mentalcases.

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Well said! :thumbs: What we don't need is WW3 over this craziness! We need to BUTT OUT over there and deal with our own problems, and Turkey is NOT a friend of ours!

I watched the interview. Pretty interesting. It seemed like on of his larger issues was our support for the Kurds. I thought that was interesting.

PeteEU said:

Sigh.. your anti-EU bull**** knows no bounds... you should be ashamed of pushing these lies. Are you seriously blaming Yugoslavia, Georgia (thousands of km from the EU), Libya (not even on the same freaking continent, Ukraine and Syria on the EU?

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You see? You don't even think about these things to understand the connections. That is really very sad.