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Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrants...

Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

Video is somewhat inconclusive but seems to show her shoving the officer before the punch.
 
Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

ThoughtEx. said:
"After Morris had been detained, Treadway said, it was determined that the warrants were no longer valid. She was arrested and booked on charges of aggravated assault and resisting arrest, according to a police spokesman. Morris was arraigned Thursday morning and later released."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/17/you-cant-hit-a-girl-like-that-officer-caught-on-camera-punching-woman-in-the-face/?utm_term=.db659875a709



Now she's being charged with assaulting the officers fist with her face I guess, and resisting a bogus arrest. The officer should have had a solid reason to detain her, and that includes getting an affirmative on her warrants before approaching her. I wonder how this would've went down if she were black. Bet he would've had that gun out. But that's just speculation on my part.

My question is, is it reasonable to ask for a warrant for her arrest be provided during the arrest? According to Cornell

"(A) A warrant is executed by arresting the defendant. Upon arrest, an officer possessing the original or a duplicate original warrant must show it to the defendant. If the officer does not possess the warrant, the officer must inform the defendant of the warrant's existence and of the offense charged and, at the defendant's request, must show the original or a duplicate original warrant to the defendant as soon as possible."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4

She clearly asked for him to check his system, and the fact he didn't know that the warrant did not exist probably means he couldn't tell her the exact charge.

Now why did he turn off his body cam? And should we believe his claims that she kicked him first, when he turned off his cam, and there is no other evidence that she did so, other than his word. And only a half kick missing after the punch, which could be seen as reactionary. And before you ask, why did she resist. I'll ask, why didn't he confirm the warrant before attempting the arrest? In a free country, one can expect not to be wrongfully arrested. The burden of proof lies in Law Enforcement's hands, not ours, he could not provide said proof.
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Based on the video and the article I figure this cop is going to lose his job. He should not have punched her in the face.

That being said, the woman was resisting detention incident to an investigation. She shouldn't have been doing that either. Furthermore, if she kicked the cop or tried to kick the cop she deserves to be charged with assault as well.

People need to understand that the cops are tasked with investigating complaints and that they WILL control the situation until they can finish their investigation. That means that they might put you in handcuffs while they are investigating. Doing so is a legitimate procedure and resisting that procedure could lead to a suspect being charged when no other charge would have been warranted.
 
Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

She was obviously resisting. Don't fight with the cops and you won't get jacked up. Besides, he didn't hit her that hard. I bet her dirtbag ol' man hits her harder than that.
 
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Lutherf said:
Based on the video and the article I figure this cop is going to lose his job. He should not have punched her in the face.

That being said, the woman was resisting detention incident to an investigation. She shouldn't have been doing that either. Furthermore, if she kicked the cop or tried to kick the cop she deserves to be charged with assault as well.

People need to understand that the cops are tasked with investigating complaints and that they WILL control the situation until they can finish their investigation. That means that they might put you in handcuffs while they are investigating. Doing so is a legitimate procedure and resisting that procedure could lead to a suspect being charged when no other charge would have been warranted.
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He responded to a domestic disturbance, resolved that disturbance, returned to his squad turned off his cam. And then tried to serve a bogus warrant, which he did not have. When she asked him to present the warrant, he could not. It is not unreasonable to ask that an officer present a warrant, when he's detaining you on the grounds of having a warrant. That's the purpose of having warrants, to arrest people without immediate cause...

And the only kick I saw, was after he coldcocked her, while another officer held her hands. Neither of whom opted to have their bodycams on for the incident. It reeks of intimidation. I get that she would have been better off in theory allowing herself to be detained. But who's to say once she was detained, and the warrants proved invalid, drugs might magically appear. Or some other made up thing. The guy has clearly shown he's willing to step over some lines.
 
Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

ThoughtEx. said:
"After Morris had been detained, Treadway said, it was determined that the warrants were no longer valid. She was arrested and booked on charges of aggravated assault and resisting arrest, according to a police spokesman. Morris was arraigned Thursday morning and later released."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/17/you-cant-hit-a-girl-like-that-officer-caught-on-camera-punching-woman-in-the-face/?utm_term=.db659875a709



Now she's being charged with assaulting the officers fist with her face I guess, and resisting a bogus arrest. The officer should have had a solid reason to detain her, and that includes getting an affirmative on her warrants before approaching her. I wonder how this would've went down if she were black. Bet he would've had that gun out. But that's just speculation on my part.

My question is, is it reasonable to ask for a warrant for her arrest be provided during the arrest? According to Cornell

"(A) A warrant is executed by arresting the defendant. Upon arrest, an officer possessing the original or a duplicate original warrant must show it to the defendant. If the officer does not possess the warrant, the officer must inform the defendant of the warrant's existence and of the offense charged and, at the defendant's request, must show the original or a duplicate original warrant to the defendant as soon as possible."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4

She clearly asked for him to check his system, and the fact he didn't know that the warrant did not exist probably means he couldn't tell her the exact charge.

Now why did he turn off his body cam? And should we believe his claims that she kicked him first, when he turned off his cam, and there is no other evidence that she did so, other than his word. And only a half kick missing after the punch, which could be seen as reactionary. And before you ask, why did she resist. I'll ask, why didn't he confirm the warrant before attempting the arrest? In a free country, one can expect not to be wrongfully arrested. The burden of proof lies in Law Enforcement's hands, not ours, he could not provide said proof.
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Where did you read that the officer turned off his body camera? The NBC report says that there IS video and its all being reviewed.

The parts of this I dont like from the civilian side...why oh why dont people just shut the **** up and comply? They cuff you...they walk to the patrol car, and if there is no warrant they run you and release you. They are there for a reason FFS.

It also annoys me to hear the double standard "hey! You cant hit a girl like that!" If there is a reason for the officer to use escalated force, the gender doesnt matter.

Which is NOT to say there IS a reason. Thats why he is on suspension and why the case is being fully reviewed.There areallegation that she attempted to kick him and knee him in the groin. If there is other video it should reflect that. Otherwise...excessive and charges should be filed. Until its known...everyone should relax a little bit.
 
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VanceMack said:
Where did you read that the officer turned off his body camera? The NBC report says that there IS video and its all being reviewed.

The parts of this I dont like from the civilian side...why oh why dont people just shut the **** up and comply? They cuff you...they walk to the patrol car, and if there is no warrant they run you and release you. They are there for a reason FFS.

It also annoys me to hear the double standard "hey! You cant hit a girl like that!" If there is a reason for the officer to use escalated force, the gender doesnt matter.

Which is NOT to say there IS a reason. Thats why he is on suspension and why the case is being fully reviewed.There areallegation that she attempted to kick him and knee him in the groin. If there is other video it should reflect that. Otherwise...excessive and charges should be filed. Until its known...everyone should relax a little bit.
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Ask and ye shall recieve.

"According to police officials, Officer Jeff Bonar went to a home to assist other officers. He was told his help was no longer needed, so he went back to his car and turned off his body camera."

Punch not caught on Flagstaff officer's body cam | 12NEWS.com
 
Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

ThoughtEx. said:
He responded to a domestic disturbance, resolved that disturbance, returned to his squad turned off his cam. And then tried to serve a bogus warrant, which he did not have. When she asked him to present the warrant, he could not. It is not unreasonable to ask that an officer present a warrant, when he's detaining you on the grounds of having a warrant. That's the purpose of having warrants, to arrest people without immediate cause...

And the only kick I saw, was after he coldcocked her, while another officer held her hands. Neither of whom opted to have their bodycams on for the incident. It reeks of intimidation. I get that she would have been better off in theory allowing herself to be detained. But who's to say once she was detained, and the warrants proved invalid, drugs might magically appear. Or some other made up thing. The guy has clearly shown he's willing to step over some lines.
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The local newspaper says the original call was with regard to an eviction notice and that the cop recognized her from a prior engagement where she did have a warrant. The cop then attempted to detain her while he investigated the warrant. She freaked and he smacked her. Neither participant appears to be guiltless but punching her was, without question, an excessive and unnecessary use of force.

Flagstaff officer on leave for punching woman | Crime and Courts | azdailysun.com
 
Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

ThoughtEx. said:
"After Morris had been detained, Treadway said, it was determined that the warrants were no longer valid. She was arrested and booked on charges of aggravated assault and resisting arrest, according to a police spokesman. Morris was arraigned Thursday morning and later released."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2016/11/17/you-cant-hit-a-girl-like-that-officer-caught-on-camera-punching-woman-in-the-face/?utm_term=.db659875a709



Now she's being charged with assaulting the officers fist with her face I guess, and resisting a bogus arrest. The officer should have had a solid reason to detain her, and that includes getting an affirmative on her warrants before approaching her. I wonder how this would've went down if she were black. Bet he would've had that gun out. But that's just speculation on my part.

My question is, is it reasonable to ask for a warrant for her arrest be provided during the arrest? According to Cornell

"(A) A warrant is executed by arresting the defendant. Upon arrest, an officer possessing the original or a duplicate original warrant must show it to the defendant. If the officer does not possess the warrant, the officer must inform the defendant of the warrant's existence and of the offense charged and, at the defendant's request, must show the original or a duplicate original warrant to the defendant as soon as possible."

https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_4

She clearly asked for him to check his system, and the fact he didn't know that the warrant did not exist probably means he couldn't tell her the exact charge.

Now why did he turn off his body cam? And should we believe his claims that she kicked him first, when he turned off his cam, and there is no other evidence that she did so, other than his word. And only a half kick missing after the punch, which could be seen as reactionary. And before you ask, why did she resist. I'll ask, why didn't he confirm the warrant before attempting the arrest? In a free country, one can expect not to be wrongfully arrested. The burden of proof lies in Law Enforcement's hands, not ours, he could not provide said proof.
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Fire his ass. period.
 
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11Bravo said:
is there a follow up question?
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Nope.
 
Re: Officer turns body cam off, punches woman in the face, for already served warrant

Lutherf said:
Based on the video and the article I figure this cop is going to lose his job. He should not have punched her in the face.

That being said, the woman was resisting detention incident to an investigation. She shouldn't have been doing that either. Furthermore, if she kicked the cop or tried to kick the cop she deserves to be charged with assault as well.

People need to understand that the cops are tasked with investigating complaints and that they WILL control the situation until they can finish their investigation. That means that they might put you in handcuffs while they are investigating. Doing so is a legitimate procedure and resisting that procedure could lead to a suspect being charged when no other charge would have been warranted.
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I agree with pretty much all of this.

However, I also think that the cop deserves to lose his job, because that punch was completely unnecessary and unprofessional.
 
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