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Obama sets new record for regulations, 527 pages in just one day

I'm certain that it's 527 pages of things we're now allowed to do.

To be fair, I am sure some of it's things you have to do under certain conditions as well. ;)
 
527 pieces of paper? thats a lotta trees.
Actually, it's a pretty small percentage of one tree. But I know you were being facetious. ;)
 
I've been browsing and I haven't seen anything I object to yet. Have you?

I have no intention of readying any of them. The very next thing I read will be Jim Harrison's last book, and not some eleventh hour regulations Obama signed. They'll be reviewed in the coming months.
 
I don't know how effective this will be, but the idea of it annoying Trump for a few days is mildly satisfying.

Hey, we lost the election. I'll take 'em where I can 'em.
:lamo
 
I don't know how effective this will be, but the idea of it annoying Trump for a few days is mildly satisfying.

Hey, we lost the election. I'll take 'em where I can 'em.

Wait till Trump takes out his magic pen.
 
How many of them did you read?

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had to READ regulation for it to affect you. Did you want to reframe that stupid argument? Over 250 pages actually, though.
 
Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you had to READ regulation for it to affect you. Did you want to reframe that stupid argument? Over 250 pages actually, though.

No, the regulation can affect you even if you don't read it but I feel like you should at least have some vague notion about the content before you criticize it. For all you know, they're contact information changes for nuclear power plant emergencies. (had a few retirements, plus we'll have a new DOE head in a couple months) But you're mad about them anyway.
 
I'm certain that it's 527 pages of things we're now allowed to do.

It isn't. Actual new regulatory content is only a small part of what's in the Federal Register when someone breathlessly tells you "X-hundred pages of regulations came out!"

The federal government has to release a first draft of regulations it's considering and let the public comment on it. It then has to take those comments, essentially one by one (depending on how important or of wide interest a proposed rule is, there may be hundreds of even thousands of public comments), and decide with respect to each whether it warrants making a change to the regulation as proposed or not. When the final rule gets published, it will contain dozens and dozens of pages just walking through the comments members of the public submitted and explaining what changes the relevant agency has or hasn't made based on each one (or each set of thematically linked comments).

The reason a final rule is long is because the government has to engage with the public on the input it provides, explain its rationales for any regulatory change it's making, provide a number of mandatory economic and financial impact analyses, etc.

A 100-page final rule may have a handful of pages of actual additions or revisions to the CFR. The rule itself is long because it's a super annotated narrative document that provides everything anyone could need to know about what it is, where it comes from, why it contains what it does, how it's applied, what interested members of the public thought about it, what the agency did in response to each of those thoughts and why, and what the impact will be.
 
I suspect that the historians will not be pleased......
 
This is just a dick move it won't matter trump can I sign all of them before they take affect.
I don't expect anything less from the cry baby.
 
This is just a dick move it won't matter trump can I sign all of them before they take affect.
I don't expect anything less from the cry baby.

You don't even know what it is so don't bother complaining.
 
It isn't. Actual new regulatory content is only a small part of what's in the Federal Register when someone breathlessly tells you "X-hundred pages of regulations came out!"

The federal government has to release a first draft of regulations it's considering and let the public comment on it. It then has to take those comments, essentially one by one (depending on how important or of wide interest a proposed rule is, there may be hundreds of even thousands of public comments), and decide with respect to each whether it warrants making a change to the regulation as proposed or not. When the final rule gets published, it will contain dozens and dozens of pages just walking through the comments members of the public submitted and explaining what changes the relevant agency has or hasn't made based on each one (or each set of thematically linked comments).

The reason a final rule is long is because the government has to engage with the public on the input it provides, explain its rationales for any regulatory change it's making, provide a number of mandatory economic and financial impact analyses, etc.

A 100-page final rule may have a handful of pages of actual additions or revisions to the CFR. The rule itself is long because it's a super annotated narrative document that provides everything anyone could need to know about what it is, where it comes from, why it contains what it does, how it's applied, what interested members of the public thought about it, what the agency did in response to each of those thoughts and why, and what the impact will be.

Yes. I'm very familiar with the federal register and how it's compiled. Are you questioning the record setting spike in regulation during the Obama administration, or simply attempting to minimize it?
 
Yes. I'm very familiar with the federal register and how it's compiled. Are you questioning the record setting spike in regulation during the Obama administration, or simply attempting to minimize it?

I'm saying anyone impressed by page count quotes is unlikely to have ever looked at a federal regulation.
 
You don't even know what it is so don't bother complaining.

Yea it was a dick move. One lucky trump can undo it all before it can damage the rest of the country.
 
Yea it was a dick move. One lucky trump can undo it all before it can damage the rest of the country.

Establishing standardized measurement methodologies at the recommendation of the Senate and three independent consulting groups to stop the oil and gas industries from cheating us out of royalty payments damages the country?
 
I'm saying anyone impressed by page count quotes is unlikely to have ever looked at a federal regulation.

The volume in total during this administration can't be dismissed by implications that those who've noted it are somehow ignorant. Those with the unfortunate task of reading the federal register for a living can attest to the volume of regulation during this administration, and they have. The entities directly affected by the regulatory splurge have also attested to it.
 
When you figure every piece of legislation touches the tax code I'm surprised it is more than that.
 
No, the regulation can affect you even if you don't read it but I feel like you should at least have some vague notion about the content before you criticize it. For all you know, they're contact information changes for nuclear power plant emergencies. (had a few retirements, plus we'll have a new DOE head in a couple months) But you're mad about them anyway.

The current regulatory environment is overburdened. That is the central point. The secondary point is that regulation is not legislation, many of the administrative regulatory laws and rules are not passed properly. The best law Congress could pass is that no administration can promulgate new regulation without congressional approval.
 
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