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Trump Faces Growing Tension with Key Republicans Over National Security Issues

There is no purpose or strategy in Afganistan. We had very little reason to be in Iraq. There is literally no national security reason to overthrow Assad. Our "experts" can go to hell.

Exactly! I'll also throw this out there in my prediction is that Trump will shock the world by offering Russia a chance to apply to join NATO. yes, you heard it here first, Trump will offer Russia a seat at the NATO headquarters. Now, before anyone laughs (I know too late you already did) at this idea, think about the geopolitical implications if Russia did in fact join NATO. Trump will have effectively coalesced 2/3rds of the world military power into one single entity. Here's how he can do it. Offer Russia this. America will back and support Russia's application to join NATO, in return, Russia agrees to pull out of Ukraine, and leave Crimea to have a fair democratic vote to either stay with Ukraine or become their own independent state. Secondly, Russia in association with NATO will set up, support, and defend "safe-zones" in Syria and Iraq. Europe will be all for this as it will allow them to send their refugees back home. Third, Russia in tandem with NATO will crush ISIS militarily once and for all. Fourth, NATO nations will buy Russian oil, and enter into new trade agreements that are fair, and rewarding to each side. Fifth, NATO along with Russia's assistance will enter into talks with North Korea and South Korea about transitioning each side into a single nation over time. (Really just getting them both to the table will be seen as a major diplomatic success). Sixth, having Russia as part of NATO will force the Chinese to capitulate on almost everything both militarily and economically. No more fudging with their currency. If they want to be part of this new world order, they have to play by the rules.

Now, I know the left, heck maybe even more from the right will immediately knee jerk this and say that Putin is a murderer, and despicable man, and perhaps this is true, but, it doesn't change the fact that Russia as part of NATO makes a whole lot of sense. It will go down as the single biggest diplomatic accomplishment since the treaty of Versailles.

Your welcome Mr. President. :)


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Exactly! I'll also throw this out there in my prediction is that Trump will shock the world by offering Russia a chance to apply to join NATO. yes, you heard it here first, Trump will offer Russia a seat at the NATO headquarters. Now, before anyone laughs (I know too late you already did) at this idea, think about the geopolitical implications if Russia did in fact join NATO. Trump will have effectively coalesced 2/3rds of the world military power into one single entity. Here's how he can do it. Offer Russia this. America will back and support Russia's application to join NATO, in return, Russia agrees to pull out of Ukraine, and leave Crimea to have a fair democratic vote to either stay with Ukraine or become their own independent state. Secondly, Russia in association with NATO will set up, support, and defend "safe-zones" in Syria and Iraq. Europe will be all for this as it will allow them to send their refugees back home. Third, Russia in tandem with NATO will crush ISIS militarily once and for all. Fourth, NATO nations will buy Russian oil, and enter into new trade agreements that are fair, and rewarding to each side. Fifth, NATO along with Russia's assistance will enter into talks with North Korea and South Korea about transitioning each side into a single nation over time. (Really just getting them both to the table will be seen as a major diplomatic success). Sixth, having Russia as part of NATO will force the Chinese to capitulate on almost everything both militarily and economically. No more fudging with their currency. If they want to be part of this new world order, they have to play by the rules.

Now, I know the left, heck maybe even more from the right will immediately knee jerk this and say that Putin is a murderer, and despicable man, and perhaps this is true, but, it doesn't change the fact that Russia as part of NATO makes a whole lot of sense. It will go down as the single biggest diplomatic accomplishment since the treaty of Versailles.

Your welcome Mr. President. :)


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Not Going To Happen.
 
Not Going To Happen.

But it should, and if it did, it would usher in a period of peace we've never seen before. or not, who knows for sure, but it's a good idea.

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I really do hate to break it to you, but an insurgency is not easy to fight, and is never a short war. Fifteen years isn't a long time when you consider historical examples.

Just because your average American is too stupid to grasp that doesn't mean it's untrue.

Are we winning? What have 2,292 lives, fifteen years, and $1 trillion bought us? How can we defeat an enemy that's being supported by what these intelligent people are calling an "ally"?

Afghan Forces, Their Numbers Dwindling Sharply, Face a Resurgent Taliban
 
And you think Trump and his team have better experience? Wow

Did I say that? But at this point, I'd take The Three Stooges over these experts. They seem to think this country has an endless supply of money and young Americans to sacrifice for their nation building projects.
 
But it should, and if it did, it would usher in a period of peace we've never seen before. or not, who knows for sure, but it's a good idea.

tim-

Actually there are lots of things that could gone wrong and I mean very wrong. The first being that you do not seem to understand Why NATO exists, do some reading. Then get back to me and tell why on earth we should trust a former (as if) KGB agent with our or Europe's security.
 
Oh for God's sake. Who are these assholes who care so much about their country they are giving us the finger after a lawful election? You are either spouting hyperbolic nonsense or these "experts" are traitors.

Name them. Show proof.

It seems that the problem is that the Trump team cannot help but shove the finger at anyone who disagreed with them.

Eliot Cohen: I told conservatives to work for Trump. One talk with his team changed my mind.

I am a national security Never-Trumper who, after the election, made the case that young conservatives should volunteer to serve in the new administration, warily, their undated letters of resignation ready. That advice, I have concluded, was wrong.
My about-face began with a discreet request to me from a friend in Trumpworld to provide names - unsullied by having signed the two anti-Trump foreign policy letters - of those who might be willing to serve. My friend and I had agreed to disagree a while back about my taking an uncompromising anti-Trump stand; now, he wanted assistance and I willingly complied.
After an exchange about a senior figure who would not submit a résumé but would listen if contacted, an email exchange ensued that I found astonishing. My friend was seething with anger directed at those of us who had opposed Donald Trump - even those who stood ready to help steer good people to an administration that understandably wanted nothing to do with the likes of me, someone who had been out front in opposing Trump since the beginning. He is in the midst of a transition team that was never well-prepared to begin with and is now torn by acrimony, resignations and palace coups.

The author elaborated later on twitter - it seems that a lot of the "pitch" involves having someone yell at you that you're a loser, and you lost. Not the best way to attract quality candidates....

True to form, it seems, the Trump team has decided that personal loyalty and obsequiousness matter more than competence and experience, and that disagreement makes one an enemy. Apparently his son-in-law, Jared Kushner, is overseeing National Security hires.
 
Are we winning? What have 2,292 lives, fifteen years, and $1 trillion bought us? How can we defeat an enemy that's being supported by what these intelligent people are calling an "ally"?

Afghan Forces, Their Numbers Dwindling Sharply, Face a Resurgent Taliban

I remember when the world's most wanted man was killed in a Gigantic Fortress surrounded by a Pakistani intelligence school in the heart of Pakistan. Wow, the Pakistani officials must have really had egg on their face when THAT HAPPENED! Whew! With allies like that who needs enemies!
 
Some Republicans are voicing concerns and opposition to the national security and foreign policy agenda of the new Trump Whitehouse:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1b2f40-ab2f-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html



Sorry, McCain, but if you wanted to shape the Whitehouse, you should have beaten Barack Obama in 2008. Too many of these various naysayers on national security had come out against Trump during the election and endorsed Hillary. Now they're nervously biting their fingernails over what's going to happen to their precious agendas built up during the Obama years, when these agendas haven't delivered enough to American voters.

From a foreign policy perspective, Trump may actually be good for the US as it seems that he is going to disengage with Syria rather than continue our idiotic policy there and we hopefully won't be going to war with Russia at all.
 
Only we can defeat ourselves by cutting and running out of sheer stupidity. If we pull out of Afghanistan, it all will have been for nothing.

The question that needs to be answered is whether this war can be won in the manner in which we're prosecuting it. I have to admit that I have my doubts. For starters, Trump needs to make it clear to Pakistan's military/intelligence apparatus that its days of double dealing are over. Otherwise, the gravy train from our treasury to theirs stops. To paraphrase George Bush, you're either with us, or you're against us.
 
Brevity in communication is best.

The truth always ruffles the feathers of closed minded people.

Ironic, isn't it?:lamo
 
And you think Trump and his team have better experience? Wow

Trump and his team were not involved in arming all kinds of factions not knowing what they believed or what they would do with those weapons. Hillary and McCain were instrumental in those dealings. Those things have backfired, as agreements with Islamists will do.
 
Brevity in communication is best.

The truth always ruffles the feathers of closed minded people.
If that is so, perhaps you might consider becoming even more brief. To a point in brevity of not even posting? Super minimalism by you would be doing the serious here a favor. I think I have yet to see a post of yours over three lines. No links, no logic, no support nor even reason to post.

As to the OP, fact of the matter is that both side's establishment [ which is actuality basically the same thing ] have gotten us, the US, to stick our noses in way too many other country's business when getting involved didn't really help them and didn't help most Americans, either. Just sullied our reputation and gave assists to those special Americans.

Trump is right, its time to stop that crap unless there actually is an imminent threat or the case can be made, not just theory, that it benefits us regular folk. All Americans. Big business is too big, should fail, and is propped up by Big Government, which, under our Constitution, should never even have been a consideration on the table.
 
And you think Trump and his team have better experience? Wow

Obama had experience?

He surrounded himself with academia types who didn't understand how to use the military.

Your boy thought he was the smartest guy in the room, but in reality he was a narcissistic ideologue.

The end result was a rapid depletion of many good Generals, Admirals, Colonels, and Captains.
 
The question that needs to be answered is whether this war can be won in the manner in which we're prosecuting it. I have to admit that I have my doubts. For starters, Trump needs to make it clear to Pakistan's military/intelligence apparatus that its days of double dealing are over. Otherwise, the gravy train from our treasury to theirs stops. To paraphrase George Bush, you're either with us, or you're against us.

And how exactly does Trump plan to enforce that? Not the entirety of the Pakistani government is in bed with the Taliban, despite claims that have been made here. When the government says one thing and it's subordinates ignore it, well....
 
Some Republicans are voicing concerns and opposition to the national security and foreign policy agenda of the new Trump Whitehouse:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1b2f40-ab2f-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html



Sorry, McCain, but if you wanted to shape the Whitehouse, you should have beaten Barack Obama in 2008. Too many of these various naysayers on national security had come out against Trump during the election and endorsed Hillary. Now they're nervously biting their fingernails over what's going to happen to their precious agendas built up during the Obama years, when these agendas haven't delivered enough to American voters.

I don't understand why we have these stories right now.

There is no Trump White House yet, he isn't President yet nor is he in the White House.
 
The election is over folks and no reality is going to set in. Some here will whine on and on like a bunch of little girls every time trump does not get his way, but the fact of the matter is the GOP reps and leaders were not trump supporters and as such will not be his lapdog. I for one am glad to hear that Congress is planning on keeping trump on a short leash, if he has a good idea, back him and if he has a bad idea, stop him, works for me.

That is the way it is supposed to be, not like it has been for the last 8 years.
 
Some Republicans are voicing concerns and opposition to the national security and foreign policy agenda of the new Trump Whitehouse:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...1b2f40-ab2f-11e6-8b45-f8e493f06fcd_story.html



Sorry, McCain, but if you wanted to shape the Whitehouse, you should have beaten Barack Obama in 2008. Too many of these various naysayers on national security had come out against Trump during the election and endorsed Hillary. Now they're nervously biting their fingernails over what's going to happen to their precious agendas built up during the Obama years, when these agendas haven't delivered enough to American voters.

I am in the wait and see mode. I think Trump ought to be given the time to vet and choose whom he wants for all those various posts. Once he does announce a selectee, then it will be time to voice opinions. At least that is how I look at it. Trump is unique, unique in a good way to some, unique in a bad way to others.

But I think the bottom line is that regardless of whoever he chooses, the chosen ones will implementing and carrying out his policies. Not their own.
 
Yes.. Redooing an oath of office is completely the same as not begin able to form a government. It's the same thing as turning the Whitehouse into an outlet for QVC. It's the same thing as trying to get your son in law, a guy who literally runs a newspaper, the highest security clearance in the country. Right.. totally the same thing. LOL

Competence... What happened to getting the best people. I guess that's another campaign promise that meant nothing.

Who would be able to form a government in a week?
 
I don't understand why we have these stories right now.

There is no Trump White House yet, he isn't President yet nor is he in the White House.

This is the Left.

They spent 18-months smashing Trump... non-stop.

They're not going to stop.

Like the frog and the scorpion... the frog gives the scorpion a ride across the river, and does so knowing that if he gets stung, both will die. The scorpion, in the middle of the river stings the frog... and knowing he's going to die, the frog asks the scorpion why?...

The scorpion replies... because it's in my nature.

Ignoring the misdeeds of the Left, while attacking the right even when unwarranted... is in the nature of rags like the WaPo.

It's what they did with Bush43... and Bush43 didn't respond, as he saw this to be unpresidential. Did not do him any good.

Trump... is no Bush, and it will be interesting to watch this administration during the next 8-years.

Now... where is the real huge 250-car pile-up? The real misery and long knives, the real feces storm? The Clintons, their foundation, their campaign... but we hear almost nothing.

You don't think there's a mountain of dirt there? ROTFLOL... it's massive... but ignored.
 
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