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Donald Trump signals he will end US support for Syrian rebels [W:37]

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cpwill said:
ISIS' central argument is that they governed territory. They can't go covert like AQ did, and remain who they are. That's not to say that the Virtual Caliphate won't exist, but it's going to be severely damaged.

As for "endgames" :shrug: we win, they lose, or they win, and we lose and convert to Islam. Those are the two endgames on the table. It takes both sides to end a war, and they aren't interested.
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ISIS central argument isn't that they govern territory because they will always govern territory, be it Africa (Boko Haram), Brazil (yep in Brazil), Gaza, Pakistan/Afghanistan, or Yemen in which ISIS holds ground. AQ held territory as well and still does.

These groups don't go underground, they shift AOs and tactics. AQ started in Afghanistan, shifted to the Bosnian mujahideen during the Balkans war, then back to Sudan/Afghanistan. Shifted their tactics from direct action after 9/11 to small tactics of terrorist plots that aren't very thought out.

ISIS has made that shift as well once it started to stall out in Syria and Iraq. ISIS is getting a new generation of fighters training and combat experience and returning them to their country of origin to create cells or bigger actions.


I mean end game for Syria.
 
austrianecon said:
That is a lie or we wouldn't have stuck our noses in to how Assad dealt with "terrorist". It's all about Oil and Gas pipeline directly to Europe, the Qatar-Turkey pipeline. Qatar was the main backers of the rebels and fostering a "revolution" in Syria and our buddies. Also gives a chance for the US and NATO to cut Russia off from sailing the 7 seas with ease.. as Russia's only Naval port outside of Russia is in Syria (Tartus).
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I use "we" as in the American people not the self-serving corporations. I know what the military industrial complex' interest is in the region. It has nothing to do with national security.
 
reinoe said:
I use "we" as in the American people not the self-serving corporations. I know what the military industrial complex' interest is in the region. It has nothing to do with national security.
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Of course, but it's the we of our government actions.
 
austrianecon said:
Nah, Trump won't walk it back. Trump, Israel, Syria and Russia will come to an agreement. Syria has no ill will towards Israel and had be talking for years about a peace deal. Both countries are economically tied each other.
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I hope you're right about that. I haven't kept up with it lately, but it seems for many years Syria and Israel have been arguing about the Golan Heights.
 
Re: Donald Trump signifies he will end US support for Syrian rebels despite their ple

austrianecon said:
ISIS central argument isn't that they govern territory because they will always govern territory, be it Africa (Boko Haram), Brazil (yep in Brazil), Gaza, Pakistan/Afghanistan, or Yemen in which ISIS holds ground. AQ held territory as well and still does.
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ISIL's identity is indeed wrapped up in their self-claims and that they hold territory - that is how they differentiated themselves from al-Qa'ida, which no, does not govern territory. They will survive the loss of territory, but it will mean a major blow to their own self-claims and, hence, legitimacy.

These groups don't go underground, they shift AOs and tactics
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:shrug: you are incorrect. ISIL is already making moves to prepare to shift back into an insurgency mode.

AQ started in Afghanistan, shifted to the Bosnian mujahideen during the Balkans war, then back to Sudan/Afghanistan. Shifted their tactics from direct action after 9/11 to small tactics of terrorist plots that aren't very thought out.
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AQAA has shifted emphasis to wherever they perceive the fight to be because that's how they self-conceive: as a "Base" of support for local Islamist movements around the globe.

ISIL, however, considers the central fight to be Syria/Iraq, regardless of what is going on elsewhere. That's the problem with declaring a Caliphate - you gotta follow through.

ISIS has made that shift as well once it started to stall out in Syria and Iraq. ISIS is getting a new generation of fighters training and combat experience and returning them to their country of origin to create cells or bigger actions.
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ISIL has a massive foreign fighter contingent, sure. They no longer control the northern border of Syria, however, and so they've lost the ability to inflow the same numbers as before, as well as the ability to easily outflow.

I mean end game for Syria.
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Well this administration certainly has no end state, I'd agree with you there. They've fought this entire thing as a half-assed measure, hoping it would just go away.
 
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PoS said:
Yup, I am starting to like Trump now. If only he would forget about that stupid wall idea, I would like him even more.
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Its been mitigated to a fence.
 
Thoreau72 said:
I hope you're right about that. I haven't kept up with it lately, but it seems for many years Syria and Israel have been arguing about the Golan Heights.
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Ironically the last deal that was being discussed before the Arab Spring started happening included the Golan Heights being handed over to Syria in the future.
 
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The best way to deal with ISIL is to pull back from Mosul, let them concentrate all their fighters there, then turn the city into glass.
 
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danarhea said:
My name is Vladimir Putin, and I approve this message.
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danarhea said:
The best way to deal with ISIL is to pull back from Mosul, let them concentrate all their fighters there, then turn the city into glass.
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1) that guy's a troll
2) that was funny
 
austrianecon said:
Ironically the last deal that was being discussed before the Arab Spring started happening included the Golan Heights being handed over to Syria in the future.
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Thank you. Did those discussions ever come to fruition? Has Israel handed over the Golan Heights, or is it still in the lip service stage?
 
Thoreau72 said:
Thank you. Did those discussions ever come to fruition? Has Israel handed over the Golan Heights, or is it still in the lip service stage?
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Nothing came to fruition because the Obama admin who was brokering the deal was shut down in efforts to foster the Arab Spring (fund and support Syrian "rebels" for example. Since the 2000s this is nothing new as any time there is even an chance of Syrian-Israeli peace deal (and Golan Heights being handed back) US tries to prevent it. Be it in 2003 when Bush admin forced Israel to walk away or in 2006 when then Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni tried to start up talks again and Bush admin said no to it again. It all comes down to Syria Accountability Act that was passed in 2003 in the US.. the sanction law against Syria.
 
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