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State Proposes to Take Control of Home Temps

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If you thought a law prohibiting swearing in bars was bad, how about the latest from California?? A proposed new law will require that all home thermostats have non-removable radio receivers in them so that officials can control your home thermostat from a central location.
State proposes to take control of home temps
By: BRADLEY J. FIKES - Staff Writer
California utilities would control the temperature of new homes and commercial buildings in emergencies with a radio-controlled thermostat, under a proposed state update to building energy efficiency standards.

Customers could not override the thermostats during "emergency events," according to the proposal, part of a 236-page revision to building standards. The document is scheduled to be considered by the California Energy Commission, a state agency, on Jan. 30.
The description does not provide any exception for health or safety concerns. It also does not define what are "emergency events."
State proposes to take control of home temps North County Times - North San Diego and Southwest Riverside County News

Excerpts from the actual proposed law:

Communicating Capabilities. All PCTs shall be distributed with a non-removable Radio Data System (RDS) communications device that is compatible with the default statewide DR communications system , which can be used by utilities to send price and emergency signals. PCTs shall be capable of receiving and responding to the signals indicating price and emergency events as follows.

Emergency Events. Upon receiving an emergency signal, the PCT shall respond to commands contained in the emergency signal, including changing the setpoint by any number of degrees or to a specific temperature setpoint. The PCT shall not allow customer changes to thermostat settings during emergency events.
http://tinyurl.com/225htc

Big Brother is taking over your lives Californians… Title 24, Part 6 already dictates what appliances you are allowed to buy, what kind and how many windows you are allowed to have, what kind of roof you must install, and hundreds of other details of your home and business.

What's next??
 
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This is complete and uttter bullshit! The people of California better get their goverment officials back in line ASAP.
 
Energy Drain

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This is complete and uttter bullshit! The people of California better get their goverment officials back in line ASAP.
Would one wager that californians endorse these controls out of a superiority complex?
To get their attention, perhaps, take away their vibrators. :mrgreen:
 
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"Energy Drain"
Would one wager that californians endorse these controls out of a superiority complex?
To get their attention, perhaps, take away their vibrators. :mrgreen:

Nice work man. Nice work....
 
What is an "emergency event"? Is that something such as rolling blackouts do to damage caused by a disaster or is the power shortage that occurs every summer for two weeks considered an emergency event?

As of right now, in certain area's, us Californians are fined if we exceed a specific power usage during a declared power shortage. Would one rather be fined for their overage or be forced to not go over?

Personally I am against the law for the mere fact that it opens the door for more government control.
 
What is an "emergency event"? Is that something such as rolling blackouts do to damage caused by a disaster or is the power shortage that occurs every summer for two weeks considered an emergency event?

As of right now, in certain area's, us Californians are fined if we exceed a specific power usage during a declared power shortage. Would one rather be fined for their overage or be forced to not go over?

Personally I am against the law for the mere fact that it opens the door for more government control.

An 'emergency' is not defined in the bill. Neither are there any previsions for sick or elderly to regain control of their own thermostats.
 
If this **** keeps up, I'm going to move to Iran because I'll actually have more fricken FREEDOM there.

God this country is ******* me off. That law better not be enacted.
 
An 'emergency' is not defined in the bill. Neither are there any previsions for sick or elderly to regain control of their own thermostats.

I would assume there would be exceptions such as elderly living, hospitals, and storage requiring refrigeration (grocery stores, etc.).

Emergencies would need to be defined for me. If an emergency is only described as a state of emergency when declared by the Government then I could see such power regulations could be needed.

Example would be the past San Diego fires. We were required, though not forced, to not use water pressure when not needed so the fire fighters would experience as little water pressure problems as possible when fighting the fires. Some area's simply had their water turned off.
 
Is that for real? I think we should have a 5 year moratorium on government stupidity while we study it.
 
This should be stricken down in the name of property rights. What a load of bullshit.

I agree, if they want to charge more for power during times of extremely high demand then thats one thing (although I would be pretty livid about it), but to take control of the thermostat in your home is about as authoritarian as it gets. I doubt even Stalin or Mao would have thought of that.
 
Quoted: (What the **** is happening to this country??)
This reminds me of the Soviet Union, what happened there was that at some point in November the Heated water that ran into every apartment in every building was turned on (usually some 2 to 3 weeks after the weather started freezing, at the end of what they determined their winter's end should be, this Heated water system would be turned off (usually 2 to 3 weeks before the outside temperatures reached anything above freezing).
Makes you think??
Incidentally the Russians then as now also believed they lived in a Democratic Country.
 
If you thought a law prohibiting swearing in bars was bad, how about the latest from California?? A proposed new law will require that all home thermostats have non-removable radio receivers in them so that officials can control your home thermostat from a central location.
State proposes to take control of home temps North County Times - North San Diego and Southwest Riverside County News

Excerpts from the actual proposed law:


http://tinyurl.com/225htc

Big Brother is taking over your lives Californians… Title 24, Part 6 already dictates what appliances you are allowed to buy, what kind and how many windows you are allowed to have, what kind of roof you must install, and hundreds of other details of your home and business.

What's next??

And who is going to set a limit on the hot air emanating from California's politicians?
 
If you thought a law prohibiting swearing in bars was bad, how about the latest from California?? A proposed new law will require that all home thermostats have non-removable radio receivers in them so that officials can control your home thermostat from a central location.
State proposes to take control of home temps North County Times - North San Diego and Southwest Riverside County News

Excerpts from the actual proposed law:


http://tinyurl.com/225htc

Big Brother is taking over your lives Californians… Title 24, Part 6 already dictates what appliances you are allowed to buy, what kind and how many windows you are allowed to have, what kind of roof you must install, and hundreds of other details of your home and business.

What's next??

OK, I'm about as anti-Libertarian as one can get, but even I think this is outrageous and a totally obtrusive interference on privacy. The government has no right in my home in the vague circumstances described.
 
This is one more example of Nazi Pelosi and her gang of Nannies making the personal lives of California's citizens their business. California's liberal and socialist policies are intrusive to good citizens and enable less responsible citizens to continue being irresponsible. There is no justification for politicians and utility companies to set my thermostat in my home, ever. If I am paying for my consumption, then that's all that matters. The only control over my consumption is to raise the cost of it and if I can't or won't pay it, then the decision at least still rests with me.

But you're talking about the same state government that will pay for clean needles for junkies. :roll:
 
This is one more example of Nazi Pelosi and her gang of Nannies making the personal lives of California's citizens their business. California's liberal and socialist policies are intrusive to good citizens and enable less responsible citizens to continue being irresponsible. There is no justification for politicians and utility companies to set my thermostat in my home, ever. If I am paying for my consumption, then that's all that matters. The only control over my consumption is to raise the cost of it and if I can't or won't pay it, then the decision at least still rests with me.

But you're talking about the same state government that will pay for clean needles for junkies. :roll:

Pelosi is a Representative for the United States House, she has nothing to do with state laws. That said, I agree with you that whoever is doing this is out of control.
 
Pelosi is a Representative for the United States House, she has nothing to do with state laws. That said, I agree with you that whoever is doing this is out of control.

If you think she doesn't have her hands in the state government, too, you are sadly mistaken.

But yeah, we agree its just too much.
 
Maybe I can get the Govanator up here to cut a few rank of wood for the fireplace.:confused:
 
A proposed new law will require that all home thermostats have non-removable radio receivers in them so that officials can control your home thermostats from a central location in California??




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Next thing you know, the Almighty state will pass a bill forcing us to put radio recievers in our penises so they can control when we can have an erection. Enough is enough. It's a slippery slope when you begin to surrender your privacy to the government. Today, our homes. Tomorrow, our penises. :mrgreen:
 
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I was trying my best to think up what kind of "emergency situation" might necessitate controlling people's thermostats. I couldn't think of any.
 
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