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Punch caught on video leaves New Jersey teen fighting for her life

Phys251 said:
No way that guy can get to claim self-defense there. Legally speaking, he'd better hope for his own sake that this young woman lives.

And WTF were those bystanders doing egging them on??
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Hey, libs are violent. :shrug:
 
Phys251 said:
No way that guy can get to claim self-defense there. Legally speaking, he'd better hope for his own sake that this young woman lives.

And WTF were those bystanders doing egging them on??
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Lol have you ever been to jersey. We all love to fight.

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PirateMk1 said:
She is not a victim and quite frankly earned what she got. She is in the hospital because she had more balls than brains. If she dies its because she was stupid.
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trouble13 said:
How is she the victim. Seems to me she was provoker. Sad that it ended so badly for her. I doubt the guy meant to hurt her this bad but he was acting in selfdefense.

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I don't even know what to say to you two in a manner that's permissible upstairs.
 
Phys251 said:
No way that guy can get to claim self-defense there. Legally speaking, he'd better hope for his own sake that this young woman lives.

And WTF were those bystanders doing egging them on??
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Based on what legality will he need to and if the need does arise based on what legality does self defense fall into the "no way" category. I'd say there's no way to determine that based on what we know and it goes to trail if the guy want's it too. I'm not condoning his actions I just don't see the clear legality that just makes the guy guilty of something. Bystanders can be some of the worse at times, that I agree with.
 
Henrin said:
I don't care one bit about such make up things. You should stick to how things really are and not make up rules that no one follows in the moment.
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So, five year old kicks me, I can shoot him in self defense?

No, you're not that delusional. Obviously you don't think this is such a black and white situation.
 
Phys251 said:
No way that guy can get to claim self-defense there. Legally speaking, he'd better hope for his own sake that this young woman lives.

And WTF were those bystanders doing egging them on??
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Are you kidding me? If you punch me and I then punch you - why are you the victim and I the perp? It is she that cannot claim self defense.
 
PirateMk1 said:
She is not a victim and quite frankly earned what she got. She is in the hospital because she had more balls than brains. If she dies its because she was stupid.
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To be fair, from the reports in the OP, she and her friends were accosted by a group of males who were calling her and her friends whores and sluts. That's not exactly my idea of a responsible young man just minding his own business and getting hit by a woman who then deserves to potentially be killed.
 
countryboy said:
Hey, libs are violent. :shrug:
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But also spineless cowards who can't defend the country, yes. The enemy is simultaneously weak and strong.
 
The right to defend oneself depends not upon the action of others but upon there being a real threat to oneself. He was in no real threat, therefore his action is unjustified.
 
trouble13 said:
How is she the victim. Seems to me she was provoker. Sad that it ended so badly for her. I doubt the guy meant to hurt her this bad but he was acting in selfdefense.

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So, this woman and her friends are just walking down the street and a group of young men start calling them whores and sluts and she's the provoker??
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Are you kidding me? If you punch me and I then punch you - why are you the victim and I the perp? It is she that cannot claim self defense.
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It's not that simple. If it were, than any time somebody hit you, you could try to kill them.

If this dude is wise he will get himself the best attorney that he can afford.
 
trouble13 said:
Im not ok with her iniating an act of violence

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You just answered a question that I did not ask. Are you okay with this man potentially killing her?
 
CanadaJohn said:
To be fair, from the reports in the OP, she and her friends were accosted by a group of males who were calling her and her friends whores and sluts. That's not exactly my idea of a responsible young man just minding his own business and getting hit by a woman who then deserves to potentially be killed.
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Talking trash is not an excuse for her to lay a hand on them.
 
Phys251 said:
I don't even know what to say to you two in a manner that's permissible upstairs.
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You asked i answered sorry if the answer bothers you. I have empathy for what happened to her but im not sympathetic toward her. If you dont want to get hit keep your hands to yourself. Women ate not exempt from this basic rule


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Phys251 said:
It's not that simple. If it were, than any time somebody hit you, you could try to kill them.

If this dude is wise he will get himself the best attorney that he can afford.
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If one punch is now deemed to be an attempt to kill then he had every right to defend himself. It is highly likely that the skull injury was from the fall and not the "unexpected" punch that put her off balance leading to that fall.
 
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Phys251 said:
I don't even know what to say to you two in a manner that's permissible upstairs.
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If it was me she would be dead along with any friends that may have been with her. The gentleman in question was quite restrained. She initiated a physical assault upon someone. There ARE NO WORDS which should provoke such a reaction. I teach my children this. Once an aggressor lift their hands or draw a weapon in anger all restraint is to lost, no quarter expected, none granted. Like I said she earned what she got, and if she dies, good riddance. Besides her friends will learn a valuable lesson, if you wish to live don't start something you aren't prepared to deal with.
 
trouble13 said:
You asked i answered sorry if the answer bothers you. I have empathy for what happened to her but im not sympathetic toward her. If you dont want to get hit keep your hands to yourself. Women ate not exempt from this basic rule
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That's just apologizing for violence against women. Big surprise coming from a "men's rights" advocate.

Should children also be punched for raising their hand against you?

It's not a moronically simple matter of "she hit him first", it's a matter of whether or not he was actually in danger. He was not in danger and thereby had no right to violently "defend" himself. This goes for men and women. No threat, no right to attack.

It's not self defense if no such defense was warranted.
 
CanadaJohn said:
To be fair, from the reports in the OP, she and her friends were accosted by a group of males who were calling her and her friends whores and sluts. That's not exactly my idea of a responsible young man just minding his own business and getting hit by a woman who then deserves to potentially be killed.
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So what they were calling them names maybe the wome proked that too or maybe they didnt. Either way taking swings at people twice your size is going to end badly for you. I dont typically fight guys twice my size for a reason.

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LaylaWindu said:
Based on what legality will he need to and if the need does arise based on what legality does self defense fall into the "no way" category. I'd say there's no way to determine that based on what we know and it goes to trail if the guy want's it too. I'm not condoning his actions I just don't see the clear legality that just makes the guy guilty of something. Bystanders can be some of the worse at times, that I agree with.
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Indeed, we can't assume that the video told the whole story. If she legitimately was wailing away on him in the seconds before this video, then maybe he'll have a case. But if I'm a juror here, I'm looking at assault convictions for both of them, although his may be of the aggravated nature.

BTW, let's not forget that with his slut-shaming comments, he was almost certainly looking for a fight. I think he may have been surprised that she brought it to him.
 
CanadaJohn said:
To be fair, from the reports in the OP, she and her friends were accosted by a group of males who were calling her and her friends whores and sluts. That's not exactly my idea of a responsible young man just minding his own business and getting hit by a woman who then deserves to potentially be killed.
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I don't care. WORDS are NEVER something to fight over. Anybody too stupid to understand that are too stupid to continue breathing.
 
ecofarm said:
The right to defend oneself depends not upon the action of others but upon there being a real threat to oneself. He was in no real threat, therefore his action is unjustified.
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Are you the self proclaimed feminist minimizing the destructive force a woman is capable of.

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Henrin said:
Talking trash is not an excuse for her to lay a hand on them.
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I don't agree with violence in any circumstance that doesn't involve the potential death of oneself or someone else. That said, in many jurisdiction "talking trash" in this manner can be illegal and subject to fines and/or misdemeanor charges. In many respects, baiting a group of young women and calling them whores and sluts is a form of hate speech/hate crime.

No matter how you look at it, your attempt to dismiss the young man of any consequences to his actions is, in my view, laughably misguided.
 
trouble13 said:
Are you the self proclaimed feminist minimizing the destructive force a woman is capable of.

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"The destructive force", hahaha. So pathetic.
 
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