Chelsea Manning Again Attempts Suicide in Prison, Attorney Says

Celebrity · Nov 5, 2016

In another episode evidencing the cruel torture used on convicts in the US prison system, Chelsea Manning has made another suicide attempt.

Attorneys Vincent Ward and Chase Strangio declined to divulge details of Manning's suicide attempt last month at a military prison at Kansas' Fort Leavenworth. Wayne Hall, an Army spokesman, said medical privacy laws barred him from discussing the matter.

But Manning's attorneys cited her prison conditions — including the solitary confinement that her legal team says she received as punishment for her July suicide attempt — as contributing to their client's fragile mental state.

Chelsea Manning came into the public eye when it was found that she divulged US documents to Wikileaks when she was employed in the US military. Some say that she is a traitor. But it is not required that an inmate be a traitor in order to confine them in solitary. The prison system is more than just a hole to throw away people who have been convicted of crimes. It is a place to abuse them.

In the US, we enjoy or ignore the abuse of inmates as much as any medieval public execution. Politicians like Obama who pardon nonviolent drug offenders certainly aren't sadists, but they aren't saints either. For economic and political reasons, more pardons should be delivered locally, for example governors in states which sponsor the private prison complex with taxpayer dollars.

This is not the first time Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide. Remember, suicide is punishable according to law because destruction of government property is illegal.

Strangio, in an email to The Associated Press, called her treatment since her 2010 arrest and subsequent time serving a 35-year sentence "demoralizing and destabilizing assaults on her health and humanity."

"After her July suicide attempt, I watched her begin to piece her life and spirit back together only to have that shattered by the disciplinary proceedings brought against her and then the unannounced initiation of her term of punishment last month," Strangio wrote. "She has repeatedly been punished for trying to survive and now is being repeatedly punished for trying to die."

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Imprisoned U.S. soldier Chelsea Manning US Army - AFP - Getty Images

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Hawkeye10 · Nov 5, 2016

Manning always had some major screws loose.

Transgender advocates hope that you(F) are not paying attention to this major detail.

ocean515 · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
In another episode evidencing the cruel torture used on convicts in the US prison system, Chelsea Manning has made another suicide attempt.

Chelsea Manning came into the public eye when it was found that she divulged US documents to Wikileaks when she was employed in the US military. Some say that she is a traitor. But it is not required that an inmate be a traitor in order to confine them in solitary. The prison system is more than just a hole to throw away people who have been convicted of crimes. It is a place to abuse them.

In the US, we enjoy or ignore the abuse of inmates as much as any medieval public execution. Politicians like Obama who pardon nonviolent drug offenders certainly aren't sadists, but they aren't saints either. For economic and political reasons, more pardons should be delivered locally, for example governors in states which sponsor the private prison complex with taxpayer dollars.

This is not the first time Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide. Remember, suicide is punishable according to law because destruction of government property is illegal.

Imprisoned U.S. soldier Chelsea Manning US Army - AFP - Getty Images

Chelsea Manning Again Attempts Suicide in Prison, Attorney Says - NBC News

Geeze. Failed at everything else in life, I'm rooting she get this one thing right at some point.

Celebrity · Nov 5, 2016

ocean515 said:
Geeze. Failed at everything else in life, I'm rooting she get this one thing right at some point.

So, you're not against public torture, but you want Chelsea Manning to die.

I take it you're not among the "live and let live" crowd?

Mycroft · Nov 5, 2016

He'll get it right one of these days.

ocean515 · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
So, you're not against public torture, but you want Chelsea Manning to die.

I take it you're not among the "live and let live" crowd?

A remarkable leap, and par for the course. I'm not against public torture? You just :bomb: your credibility.

Chelsea made her bed, she needs to sleep in it. She's a pathetic person on all accounts, and I'm most certainly willing to apply live and let live to the circumstances she created for herself.

Hawkeye10 · Nov 5, 2016

ocean515 said:
A remarkable leap, and par for the course. I'm not against public torture? You just :bomb: your credibility.

Chelsea made her bed, she needs to sleep in it. She's a pathetic person on all accounts, and I'm most certainly willing to apply live and let live to the circumstances she created for herself.

I have no sympathy, I am the guy who is against the death penalty for all cases but major treason, Manning I might just sentence with it if I had the chance.

ecofarm · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
In another episode evidencing the cruel torture used on convicts in the US prison system

:screwy

You sound like an ISIS spokesman.

ocean515 · Nov 5, 2016

Hawkeye10 said:
I have no sympathy, I am the guy who is against the death penalty for all cases but major treason, Manning I might just sentence with it if I had the chance.

It would be so much easier if Manning could finally be successful with just this one thing. If practice makes perfect, I hope Manning keeps practicing.

joG · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
In another episode evidencing the cruel torture used on convicts in the US prison system, Chelsea Manning has made another suicide attempt.

Chelsea Manning came into the public eye when it was found that she divulged US documents to Wikileaks when she was employed in the US military. Some say that she is a traitor. But it is not required that an inmate be a traitor in order to confine them in solitary. The prison system is more than just a hole to throw away people who have been convicted of crimes. It is a place to abuse them.

In the US, we enjoy or ignore the abuse of inmates as much as any medieval public execution. Politicians like Obama who pardon nonviolent drug offenders certainly aren't sadists, but they aren't saints either. For economic and political reasons, more pardons should be delivered locally, for example governors in states which sponsor the private prison complex with taxpayer dollars.

This is not the first time Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide. Remember, suicide is punishable according to law because destruction of government property is illegal.

Imprisoned U.S. soldier Chelsea Manning US Army - AFP - Getty Images

Chelsea Manning Again Attempts Suicide in Prison, Attorney Says - NBC News

He created a precedent in a new level of treason and the penal system is about persuading potential criminals they shouldn't. So he brought it on himself and must face it to the end. I hope the country is sound enough to withstand the urge to pardon him.

joG · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
So, you're not against public torture, but you want Chelsea Manning to die.

I take it you're not among the "live and let live" crowd?

If he were being tortured, I would want it to stop. As it is, I see no such.

Jack Hays · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
In another episode evidencing the cruel torture used on convicts in the US prison system, Chelsea Manning has made another suicide attempt.

Chelsea Manning came into the public eye when it was found that she divulged US documents to Wikileaks when she was employed in the US military. Some say that she is a traitor. But it is not required that an inmate be a traitor in order to confine them in solitary. The prison system is more than just a hole to throw away people who have been convicted of crimes. It is a place to abuse them.

In the US, we enjoy or ignore the abuse of inmates as much as any medieval public execution. Politicians like Obama who pardon nonviolent drug offenders certainly aren't sadists, but they aren't saints either. For economic and political reasons, more pardons should be delivered locally, for example governors in states which sponsor the private prison complex with taxpayer dollars.

This is not the first time Chelsea Manning has attempted suicide. Remember, suicide is punishable according to law because destruction of government property is illegal.

Imprisoned U.S. soldier Chelsea Manning US Army - AFP - Getty Images

Chelsea Manning Again Attempts Suicide in Prison, Attorney Says - NBC News

I wish her luck in the future.

mike2810 · Nov 5, 2016

imo, Manning has more issues than being a transgender. Since when is solitary confinement considered torture? Let us not forget Manning was convicted of a crime against the US.

Maybe someday Manning will figure out how to succeed in whatever suits his/her endeavor.

Hawkeye10 · Nov 5, 2016

ocean515 said:
It would be so much easier if Manning could finally be successful with just this one thing. If practice makes perfect, I hope Manning keeps practicing.

I disavow this sentiment, for many reasons, to include me wanting Manning in jail suffering as a warning to all the others out there who are considering treason, or might in the future.

Celebrity · Nov 5, 2016

ecofarm said:
:screwy

You sound like an ISIS spokesman.

When speaking about the US Justice system? Yeah, I can see the similarities between brutality we commit against our people and the brutality ISIS commits against all people, indiscriminately.

ecofarm · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
When speaking about the US Justice system? Yeah, I can see the similarities between brutality we commit against our people and the brutality ISIS commits against all people, indiscriminately.

That is a Truther-level false equivalence.

Tigerace117 · Nov 5, 2016

Celebrity said:
When speaking about the US Justice system? Yeah, I can see the similarities between brutality we commit against our people and the brutality ISIS commits against all people, indiscriminately.

:lamo :lamo:lamo

Celebrity · Nov 5, 2016

mike2810 said:
imo, Manning has more issues than being a transgender. Since when is solitary confinement considered torture? Let us not forget Manning was convicted of a crime against the US.

Maybe someday Manning will figure out how to succeed in whatever suits his/her endeavor.

There is a fine line between considering solitary confinement torture, and ordering the Justice Department study how it is being used. That's about as close as we can call something torture, without calling something torture. Do you think waterboarding was ever studied as a technique?

If we are to ban this cruel, psychologically scarring treatment which damaged one man's psyche so much that he cut off one of his testicles, then should we either accept that it's torture, or pretend that we just banned it for no reason?

mike2810 · Nov 6, 2016

Celebrity said:
There is a fine line between considering solitary confinement torture, and ordering the Justice Department study how it is being used. That's about as close as we can call something torture, without calling something torture. Do you think waterboarding was ever studied as a technique?

If we are to ban this cruel, psychologically scarring treatment which damaged one man's psyche so much that he cut off one of his testicles, then should we either accept that it's torture, or pretend that we just banned it for no reason?

1. Your link showed Obama banned solitary for juveniles. Manning is an adult.

2. Your second link is about one case, not a complete study.

So how would you handle prisoners who are a threat to others or themselves.? Are you for increasing taxes or redirecting tax money to improve prisons?

Brewdog · Nov 6, 2016

joG said:
He created a precedent in a new level of treason and the penal system is about persuading potential criminals they shouldn't. So he brought it on himself and must face it to the end. I hope the country is sound enough to withstand the urge to pardon him.

Manning released this video because he/she thought the American people would want to know about US war crimes. Gunning down journalists with an Apache?

You'll notice that the guy lying on the street injured has no weapon (because he was a civilian). Then the van with two small children stopped to try and take him to the hospital. None of these civilians have weapons either; they're merely trying to help the man. So the Apache then shoots the van with no evidence whatsoever still that anyone has any weapons. That's a warcrime and it's murder. Manning exposed this coverup by releasing the video to Wikileaks.

I think the wrong person went to prison for 30 years.

Celebrity · Nov 6, 2016

mike2810 said:
1. Your link showed Obama banned solitary for juveniles. Manning is an adult.

2. Your second link is about one case, not a complete study.

So how would you handle prisoners who are a threat to others or themselves.? Are you for increasing taxes or redirecting tax money to improve prisons?

If we ban it for juveniles, why shouldn't we ban it for adults? Do you honestly believe that people who are adults should be punished by solitary confinement, but not juveniles? At what point (or rate, because really, age limits are just arbitrary, static numbers politicians use for convenience) do we outgrow our intolerance of solitary confinement?

I don't think that many prisoners are a threat to others or themselves, any more than any other prisoner is a threat to society. A more appropriate question might be to ask how effective the prison system is at reforming inmates, or how effective it is at creating a mindless hell for citizens formerly in possession of their civil rights.

What are the risks and how can we make sure that solitary confinement is a measure of last resort? We could put someone in solitary confinement who doesn't belong there, and it could unnecessarily cause nervous shock. Because there is no negative ramification for a prison which does this legally, I guess that prisoner abuse is likely, which is why President Obama asked the Department of Justice to study solitary confinement. We could also fail to put someone in solitary confinement, and they could cause serious harm to other people or themselves, as you mentioned. That is a serious problem, but not a legal problem.

We have two societies which coexist: one authoritarian and one democracy. The authoritarian, private prison is at risk for committing prisoner abuse (uncivil treatment) because there is little we can do to allow prisoners liberty. Prisoners are allowed liberty, but they do not get to make the choices; they have to ask. Meanwhile, we can suppose that in society we are free to live within our means as long as we are not criminals.

Unfortunately some people have the power to turn a civil case into a criminal one. This only serves to increase the criminal population in the US.

Celebrity · Nov 6, 2016

Brewdog said:
Manning released this video because he/she thought the American people would want to know about US war crimes. Gunning down journalists with an Apache?

You'll notice that the guy lying on the street injured has no weapon (because he was a civilian). Then the van with two small children stopped to try and take him to the hospital. None of these civilians have weapons either; they're merely trying to help the man. So the Apache then shoots the van with no evidence whatsoever still that anyone has any weapons. That's a warcrime and it's murder. Manning exposed this coverup by releasing the video to Wikileaks.

I think the wrong person went to prison for 30 years.

It was the civil thing to do, and they turned him into a criminal and more.

It's not enough for these monsters to put the people who expose them behind bars. They have to smear their reputation, too.

Brewdog · Nov 6, 2016

Celebrity said:
It was the civil thing to do, and they turned him into a criminal and more.

It's not enough for these monsters to put the people who expose them behind bars. They have to smear their reputation, too.

The very saddest thing is, most Americans still don't know that this is the information that Manning released to the public. I never saw this video on TV. There was no outrage by the press or the American public or any discussions about it on talkshows that I remember seeing.

All the media ever reported was the government talking points about Manning being a traitor. And I don't know how a federal judge can see all the things Manning released and not label him as a whistleblower, but rather sentence him to 30 YEARS WOW.

That man/woman gave up his/her entire life to expose government murders to the American people, yet no one still even knows about any of it. Manning didn't sell the info to Wikileaks, he gave it to them because it was the right thing to do. What a waste of a good soldier and American patriot.

Celebrity · Nov 6, 2016

Brewdog said:
The very saddest thing is, most Americans still don't know that this is the information that Manning released to the public. I never saw this video on TV. There was no outrage by the press or the American public or any discussions about it on talkshows that I remember seeing.

All the media ever reported was the government talking points about Manning being a traitor. And I don't know how a federal judge can see all the things Manning released and not label him as a whistleblower, but rather sentence him to 30 YEARS WOW.

That man/woman gave up his/her entire life to expose government murders to the American people, yet no one still even knows about any of it. Manning didn't sell the info to Wikileaks, he gave it to them because it was the right thing to do. What a waste of a good soldier and American patriot.

Manning had no choice. Good soldiers will not let the needless deaths of innocent civilians rest on their conscience. The closest I can come for a justification of not releasing the video would be to abide by the adage, "all's fair in love and war." Even in war, there is crime. Do we punish women who love their families, but report an abusive spouse with conclusive evidence? I don't know that it would be the right thing to do to lock up a whistleblower, just because it might tarnish someone's reputation.

mike2810 · Nov 6, 2016

Celebrity said:
If we ban it for juveniles, why shouldn't we ban it for adults? Do you honestly believe that people who are adults should be punished by solitary confinement, but not juveniles? At what point (or rate, because really, age limits are just arbitrary, static numbers politicians use for convenience) do we outgrow our intolerance of solitary confinement?

I don't think that many prisoners are a threat to others or themselves, any more than any other prisoner is a threat to society. A more appropriate question might be to ask how effective the prison system is at reforming inmates, or how effective it is at creating a mindless hell for citizens formerly in possession of their civil rights.

What are the risks and how can we make sure that solitary confinement is a measure of last resort? We could put someone in solitary confinement who doesn't belong there, and it could unnecessarily cause nervous shock. Because there is no negative ramification for a prison which does this legally, I guess that prisoner abuse is likely, which is why President Obama asked the Department of Justice to study solitary confinement. We could also fail to put someone in solitary confinement, and they could cause serious harm to other people or themselves, as you mentioned. That is a serious problem, but not a legal problem.

We have two societies which coexist: one authoritarian and one democracy. The authoritarian, private prison is at risk for committing prisoner abuse (uncivil treatment) because there is little we can do to allow prisoners liberty. Prisoners are allowed liberty, but they do not get to make the choices; they have to ask. Meanwhile, we can suppose that in society we are free to live within our means as long as we are not criminals.

Unfortunately some people have the power to turn a civil case into a criminal one. This only serves to increase the criminal population in the US.

Manning is a criminal. He was found guilty.

Seems adults are held to a different standard because adults should know better than to break the law.

Your posts was very revealing. You do know that the majority of people in prison are criminals and they are in prison to pay for what crimes they committed.
But hey, you know if no one broke the law, we would have no need for prisons or criminal courts. The odds of that happening is none existenct.

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