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Iraq ‘ready for war’ with Turkey over who should control Mosul after ISIS

Well according to moviebodycounts.com the movie with the highest number of deaths was Lord of the Rings: Return of the King and it had 836, not even close to "thousands".

I think the movies depicting nuclear holocausts might have had counts higher than 836.
 
I'm going to go to war with turkey pretty soon. Thanksgiving. I'm gonna roast that bitch and stuff it with some homemade cornbread dressing, hell yeah!
 
Other nations "giving" people territory in their own countries is what caused most of these problems in the first place.

It was their land at one time. They have been promised land before. They are the largest ethnicity in the region.

I am not saying that giving away land doesn't cause issues, but there are already issues in this region and this group has been fighting those wars with no land of their own.

I have always had a soft spot for them. And the only reason they don't have their own land right now, is we didn't allow it.
 
How does this affect the NATO relationships? It is going to be an interesting Christmas this year in Brussels.

When ISIS invaded Kirkuk and the Iraqi Army fled in 2014, Kurdish perhmerga moved to exert additional control over the oil-rich area. As far as they're concerned, Kirkuk is Kurdish. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. Once the Shiite Iraqi Arabs began to answer the call to repel ISIS via the Iranian-backed Popular Mobilization Forces, several thousand guerrillas moved into the area to stake a claim to it. Now, we all know that the Iranians aren't on good terms with Turkey and Turkey's been training Kurdish forces in Northern Iraq loyal to the Kurdish Regional Government (Turkish Army's Special Forces to train Peshmerga - MIDEAST). So there's a strong possibility that these forces will eventually come to blows. I don't think there's any doubt about where U.S. sympathies lie in this case, although we'll attempt to stand in the middle in an effort to avoid alienating the Shiite-dominated government in Baghdad. But the use of Kurdish perhmerga as a proxy will enable NATO to avoid direct involvement in any conflict, should it occur.
 
Yeah, that, and other reasons as well:



The statement that especially caught my attention was "wishing to destroy paramilitary actors in order to prevent a civil war stalemate." I'm sure it's crossed the minds of the Turks that once Mosul and Nineveh province are liberated the natural targets for Iranian-supported militias would be Kurds loyal to the Barzani regional government and Sunni rebels battling the Assad government in Syria. So I wouldn't be surprised to see Iran and Turkey come to blows through proxies such as Kurdish peshmerga and the Iranian-supported Popular Mobilization Forces. There is no love lost between these groups, and I don't think the U.S. could stop it if they came to blows.

Iraq's Shiite militias rush to defend oil-rich Kirkuk from Islamic State | Fox News

Good post.

I don't get to say that often enough here.

The collapse of the ME is like one of those old fashioned dances, where you keep changing partners, and keep dancing.
 
But we 100% prevented them from taking. Not ours to give but it is ours to defend? I can't agree with that.

We 100% prevented whom from taking what? Yeah, we initiated a no-fly zone over the Kurdish region in the wake of the first Gulf War, but where were we in 2014 when ISIS was invading Northern Iraq and threatening the population of Kirkuk? We were nowhere to be found. We don't own the place, we have no claim on it, so it's not ours to give away. And why would we want it, anyway? It's just going to prove to be a huge headache for someone.
 
We 100% prevented whom from taking what? Yeah, we initiated a no-fly zone over the Kurdish region in the wake of the first Gulf War, but where were we in 2014 when ISIS was invading Northern Iraq and threatening the population of Kirkuk? We were nowhere to be found. We don't own the place, we have no claim on it, so it's not ours to give away. And why would we want it, anyway? It's just going to prove to be a huge headache for someone.

We have prevented the Kurdish people from taking control of the North Eastern region since 2003.
 
We have prevented the Kurdish people from taking control of the North Eastern region since 2003.

Can you elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Kurds have operated a semi-autonomous government in Northern Iraq for more than two decades, thanks in no small part to support from the United States and the international coalition in the wake of the first Gulf War. No one is stopping them from declaring independence, but I think they can see how that might lose them some important friends in the neighborhood. They have a good thing going. They'd be dumb to screw it up.
 
Can you elaborate on that? I'm not sure what you're talking about. The Kurds have operated a semi-autonomous government in Northern Iraq for more than two decades, thanks in no small part to support from the United States and the international coalition in the wake of the first Gulf War. No one is stopping them from declaring independence, but I think they can see how that might lose them some important friends in the neighborhood. They have a good thing going. They'd be dumb to screw it up.

A semi-autonomous government is not the same as a autonomous government. We supported, and the Iraqis new Constitution which would review which territories belonged to the Kurdistan region in Iraq to include Kirkuk. It never happened. A reason for not ever comminting to the referendum is fear that the Kurds would break from the country and take oil rich Kirkuk with them. Kirkuk, which I believe was stolen from them by Saddam.
 
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