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AlbqOwl said:
In all fairness, we all know who the more reliable sources are and which ones where most of the bull**** is posted. I do not fault somebody for being skeptical when the ONLY source is a highly partisan one.

I agree however that you cannot dismiss the information ONLY because it is cited by a source you don't appreciate. And I have often said that I'll believe this or that when somebody other than the highly partisan source supports it.

But you are all right that a proper rebuttal will include information showing how the source manufactured, misstated, or manipulated the information. In the case of wikileaks, so far nobody that I know of has been able to show that they are not the real deal.
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Yeah, but Leftists want to shoot down any source that says something they don't like. They shoot down FNC, the post something from Mother Jones, or Media Matters and claim it's the gospel.
 
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late said:
Good question.

I have my suspicions, but it's not what I was referring to. That Fox piece looks like smoke and mirrors. It needs more to be taken seriously, as does Fox.
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You have your suspicions? My goodness, everyday we as conservatives, and Republicans are treated to an onslaught of biased, and slanted opinion journalism from print, to tv, to cable....And You want to complain that FNS is used? pfft....talk to the hand.
 
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soot said:
Yeah!

You guys are slacking when it comes to late's exceedingly high standard of journalistic integrity.

Find a REAL source...like Alternet:
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I'd love to have an intelligent discussion about that article. But let's face it, that is simply not going to happen.
 
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LowDown said:
You haven't told us what, if anything, is wrong in the assertions made in the OP. You're just flinging the monkey poo.
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I want something real.

Sorry, I shouldn't ask for the impossible.
 
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American said:
Sounds like you have a problem.
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Indeed. Perhaps this is part of the "melt down" that the democrats are currently undergoing.
 
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late said:
I want something real.

Sorry, I shouldn't ask for the impossible.
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You mean like an article from AlterNet? You're right, it's impossible to find anything critical of Democrats there.
 
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late said:
I'd love to have an intelligent discussion about that article. But let's face it, that is simply not going to happen.
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Yes, it's pretty clear that you've got nothing.
 
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late said:
I am not responsible for your assertions.

And now for something completely different: do your homework.

The amount of unmitigated nonsense that gets spewed on this forum is staggering. I don't have the time or inclination to chase down every bit of monkey poo.
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Again you miss the irony of your own post
 
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LowDown said:
You mean like an article from AlterNet? You're right, it's impossible to find anything critical of Democrats there.
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Funny how the Clinton news media is trying to keep this stuff quite.
 
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late said:
I'd love to have an intelligent discussion about that article. But let's face it, that is simply not going to happen.
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The fact that you even think you can have an intelligent discussion about that article is the problem.

It discusses a bunch of bloggers and pundits offering medical opinions as to Trump's mental health, and there's one example of trained psychologists offering their opinions on the same without ever having examined Trump in a clinical (or any) setting in gross violation of professional ethics and best practice.

Here's how that "intelligent discussion" would go if you were actually having it with an "intelligent" person:

late said:
Hey, did you read that article?
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Intelligent Person said:
Yeah, the one with a bunch of untrained laypeople diagnosing Trump's mental health?
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late said:
Yeah, that's the one.
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Intelligent Person said:
Right, I read it and immediately dismissed it as partisan nonsense. First, because nobody who was quoted in the article was qualified to offer the opinions they did, and secondly because it was an article in Alternet, a well-known partisan rag.
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late said:
Hmmm. I guess you're right. It was a lousy piece of yellow journalism. In the future I'll try to find rational articles from legitimate sources and offer those for discussion rather than this Alternet garbage.
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apdst said:
Yeah, but Leftists want to shoot down any source that says something they don't like. They shoot down FNC, the post something from Mother Jones, or Media Matters and claim it's the gospel.
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Of course they do. And if the only story is in Mother Jones or on Salon.com or other hyper partisan sources, I will pretty much demand verification by a less partisan source before I will take it seriously. But those sources cited sometimes do raise my curiosity and I will see if I can find another source to substantiate it. If I cannot, I feel no responsibility to take it seriously. And sometimes they get it right.

Media Matters. That's one source I NEVER take seriously as their stated purpose is to smear anything conservative and defend anything liberal and it is so rare that they do not misrepresent what they report I just assume they are misrepresenting it.
 
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soot said:
The fact that you even think you can have an intelligent discussion about that article is the problem.

It discusses a bunch of bloggers and pundits offering medical opinions as to Trump's mental health, and there's one example of trained psychologists offering their opinions on the same without ever having examined Trump in a clinical (or any) setting in gross violation of professional ethics and best practice.
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The article says he's a fear monger. He is.

The article says he is undisciplined and erratic. He is.

The article quotes several shrinks, they all point out what is obvious, he's a narcissist. You could try to argue he's not a full blown psychopath, but I wouldn't suggest it. You have played your sole card, that they shouldn't be doing that. But every rule has it's exception.

Do you really want to try and agrue he doesn't project??? Didn't think so.

It talks about displacement, which is usually described as scapegoating. "Mexican rapists" Oh yeah, he goes there.

The article talks about his playing to the fear people have. That's obvious.

The article talks about the Dunning-Kruger Effect, the Republican party can blame themselves for laying the groundwork on that one.

If I was editing that article, I would have edited out a number of paragraphs for various reasons. But it does make a few solid points, which is why I posted, and why I haven't seen (and won't see) a substantive counterargument.
 
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j-mac said:
all you do is act like other liberals and insult.
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j-mac said:
No doubt...That's a symptom of way too many loudmouth liberal progressives in here
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It appears you need to change your DP profile to "liberal" then.
apdst said:
Yeah, but Leftists want to shoot down any source that says something they don't like. They shoot down FNC, the post something from Mother Jones, or Media Matters and claim it's the gospel.
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:roll:

In other words, those on the left do the same thing as those on the right do. In other words, all partisans act stupid, right?
AlbqOwl said:
Of course they do. And if the only story is in Mother Jones or on Salon.com or other hyper partisan sources, I will pretty much demand verification by a less partisan source before I will take it seriously. But those sources cited sometimes do raise my curiosity and I will see if I can find another source to substantiate it. If I cannot, I feel no responsibility to take it seriously. And sometimes they get it right.
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This is exactly how it should be. One should viewed obviously biased sources with a skeptical eye. Brian Stelter from CNN wrote a GREAT article on this the other day. Here's the link: The plague of fake news is getting worse -- here's how to protect yourself - Oct. 30, 2016

It's a great read and one I wish more people would take the time to consume.
late said:
The amount of unmitigated nonsense that gets spewed on this forum is staggering.
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And you appear to be doing your part to ensure it stays that way.

Fox News isn't reliable on political matters but simply shouting "Fox News" isn't an argument. It's a red herring. A MUCH better argument would be to ask someone as to why this article matters. If this attorney was a defense attorney, and he kept someone out of jail because it was his job, then this is nothing more than an attempt at smear by association.

THAT'S what you should be trying to figure out. Just shouting "Fox News" means nothing.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
It appears you need to change your DP profile to "liberal" then.
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No, see, I am a loudmouth conservative...Totally different....So, that's 0 for 1 today....for you.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
(snip). . .
Fox News isn't reliable on political matters but simply shouting "Fox News" isn't an argument. It's a red herring. A MUCH better argument would be to ask someone as to why this article matters. If this attorney was a defense attorney, and he kept someone out of jail because it was his job, then this is nothing more than an attempt at smear by association.

THAT'S what you should be trying to figure out. Just shouting "Fox News" means nothing.
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I disagree that Fox new s is not reliable on political matters. Sometimes they are the ONLY news source reliably reporting All sides of all the issues that matter because the MSM too often buries stories that disagree with its particular bias or they present the story without offering the valid mitigating circumstances that would help people better evaluate the importance of it. Various Fox news magazine hosts often do show their political bias--Megyn Kelly for instance is unable to hide her utter contempt, even hatred, for Donald Trump and her journalism has sometimes suffered as a result while Sean Hannity is so in the tank for Trump that I have to watch carefully to be sure his bias isn't exaggerating or distorting facts too.

But you do get all or at least most of the information that is important from Fox which is why they consistently pull ratings that exceed all the other cable news channels combined, and often give the free networks a run for their money as well.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
I disagree that Fox new s is not reliable on political matters. Sometimes they are the ONLY news source reliably reporting All sides of all the issues that matter because the MSM too often buries stories that disagree with its particular bias or they present the story without offering the valid mitigating circumstances that would help people better evaluate the importance of it. Various Fox news magazine hosts often do show their political bias--Megyn Kelly for instance is unable to hide her utter contempt, even hatred, for Donald Trump and her journalism has sometimes suffered as a result while Sean Hannity is so in the tank for Trump that I have to watch carefully to be sure his bias isn't exaggerating or distorting facts too.

But you do get all or at least most of the information that is important from Fox which is why they consistently pull ratings that exceed all the other cable news channels combined, and often give the free networks a run for their money as well.
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Well said....
 
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I think by now it's obvious to anyone who's paying attention that the Clintons, the Clinton campaign, and the DNC are all corrupt as hell and rotten to core, akin, if not exactly like, a criminal enterprise.

Is this the type of leadership of the nation that Democrats believe we should have? Criminal leadership?
 
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late said:
I'd love to have an intelligent discussion about that article. But let's face it, that is simply not going to happen.
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Maybe you shouldn't have come into the thread flailing your arms around about the source, and just made your damn case against it with a real explanation.
 
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j-mac said:
No, see, I am a loudmouth conservative...Totally different....So, that's 0 for 1 today....for you.
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No, you insulted "liberals". Which you claimed is a liberal tactic. So that makes you a liberal, by your logic. Right?

Or is it only a problem to insult people if they are liberal and not conservative?
AlbqOwl said:
I disagree that Fox new s is not reliable on political matters.
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Of course they are not. The amount of evidence is staggering.

But you do get all or at least most of the information that is important from Fox which is why they consistently pull ratings that exceed all the other cable news channels combined, and often give the free networks a run for their money as well.
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False. The reason Fox News gets their ratings is because they market themselves as the only "real" news network for conservatives. And they slant their news and politics heavily towards Republicans, so it is the channel they all flock too. They've convinced people real news networks are biased and have, for lack of a better term, brain-washed viewers into thinking Fox News is the only channel for conservatives.

It's nonsense, but it's what far too many people actually believe. That's why they get their ratings.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
No, you insulted "liberals". Which you claimed is a liberal tactic. So that makes you a liberal, by your logic. Right?
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Again, no....0 for 2......Keep swinging.....

Or is it only a problem to insult people if they are liberal and not conservative?
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Oh wow....I am insulted....how could you accuse me of such hyper partisanship?.....lol
 
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Slyfox696 said:
No, you insulted "liberals". Which you claimed is a liberal tactic. So that makes you a liberal, by your logic. Right?

Or is it only a problem to insult people if they are liberal and not conservative?
Of course they are not. The amount of evidence is staggering.

False. The reason Fox News gets their ratings is because they market themselves as the only "real" news network for conservatives. And they slant their news and politics heavily towards Republicans, so it is the channel they all flock too. They've convinced people real news networks are biased and have, for lack of a better term, brain-washed viewers into thinking Fox News is the only channel for conservatives.

It's nonsense, but it's what far too many people actually believe. That's why they get their ratings.
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I would like for you to show me ANY evidence ANYWHERE in which Fox has EVER marketed itself as a network for conservatives.
 
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j-mac said:
Again, no.
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Uh, yes, yes you did. I know it sucks to have hypocrisy pointed out, but you should probably just own up to it.

Oh wow....I am insulted....how could you accuse me of such hyper partisanship?
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It's your position which is hypocritical, not mine.
AlbqOwl said:
I would like for you to show me ANY evidence ANYWHERE in which Fox has EVER marketed itself as a network for conservatives.
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It's not at all uncommon for their hosts to engage in such talk. I don't have time now for evidence, but I'm sure I could find O'Reilly saying it numerous times.
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Uh, yes, yes you did. I know it sucks to have hypocrisy pointed out, but you should probably just own up to it.

It's your position which is hypocritical, not mine.
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And they say liberals DO have a sense of humor....I say where?
 
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Slyfox696 said:
Uh, yes, yes you did. I know it sucks to have hypocrisy pointed out, but you should probably just own up to it.

It's your position which is hypocritical, not mine.
It's not at all uncommon for their hosts to engage in such talk. I don't have time now for evidence, but I'm sure I could find O'Reilly saying it numerous times.
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And I am 100% positive you could not find O'Reilly saying anything even remotely like that and I would be really REALLY surprised if you could find anybody at Fox saying anything like that. To even say something like that though indicates a huge amount of deliberate bias based on bad information received from somebody other than Fox.
 
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j-mac said:
And they say liberals DO have a sense of humor....I say where?
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You didn't address anything I said. I THINK you were trying to label me a liberal and suggest I don't have a sense of humor, but I'm not a liberal and you didn't make a joke.

If that wasn't your intent, then your comment makes no sense.
AlbqOwl said:
And I am 100% positive you could not find O'Reilly saying anything even remotely like that and I would be really REALLY surprised if you could find anybody at Fox saying anything like that. To even say something like that though indicates a huge amount of deliberate bias based on bad information received from somebody other than Fox.
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First of all, when they constantly reference "mainstream media" in a negative way, it most definitely suggests they are presenting themselves as an alternative.

Chris Wallace, fast forward to 9:20: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp_grw10SIM
Bill O'Reilly (and Eric Bolling), casting "left-wing zealots" as opposition: Bill O’Reilly melts down over ‘slaves were well-fed’ criticism: Liberals ‘want me dead’
Megyn Kelly, expressing incredulity at Fox News being lumped in with "liberal media", fast forward to 2:10: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGy5wpY3kMI

There's just a few examples right there, where Fox News hosts are clearly positioning themselves as not part of the "other" media. I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to find other examples of Fox News hosts doing the same thing.
 
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