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Jury Acquits Leaders of all Charges in Armed Standoff at Federal Reserve in Oregon

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PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The leaders of an armed group that took over a national wildlife refuge in rural Oregon have been found not guilty of conspiracy and possession of firearms at a federal facility.

A jury on Thursday exonerated brothers Ammon and Ryan Bundy and five others of conspiring to impede federal workers from their jobs at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.
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I'm kind of surprised that all the leaders were acquited of all charges, including weapons charges. What's your opinion?

Some charges are still open in Nevada, but this was a huge win for those involved.

Jury acquits leaders of all charges in armed standoff at federal reserve in Oregon | Q13 FOX News
 
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Enough people know now how the Fed has handled grievances surrounding the reserve in the past. There has been a lot of corruption or at the very least questionable tactics used to sequester land and expand Federal projects. Wouldn't be surprised if that somehow ties into the court decision.
 
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truthatallcost said:
I'm kind of surprised that all the leaders were acquited of all charges, including weapons charges. What's your opinion?

Some charges are still open in Nevada, but this was a huge win for those involved.

Jury acquits leaders of all charges in armed standoff at federal reserve in Oregon | Q13 FOX News
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If I remember the details, it would almost appear to be jury nullification. And THAT'S why a jury of our peers is so important.
 
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truthatallcost said:
I'm kind of surprised that all the leaders were acquited of all charges, including weapons charges. What's your opinion?

Some charges are still open in Nevada, but this was a huge win for those involved.

Jury acquits leaders of all charges in armed standoff at federal reserve in Oregon | Q13 FOX News
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One of jurists was dismissed for bias. Now it looks like the entire jury should've been dismissed.
 
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MaggieD said:
If I remember the details, it would almost appear to be jury nullification. And THAT'S why a jury of our peers is so important.
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This should be a wake up call to BLM and their polices that have caused citizens to reject how they operate.
That said this will only lead to more occupations led by the Bundy family and others
Jury Nullification: History, questions and answers about nullification, links

he most famous nullification case is the 1735 trial of John Peter Zenger, charged with printing seditious libels of the Governor of the Colony of New York, William Cosby. Despite the fact that Zenger clearly printed the alleged libels (the only issue the court said the jury was free to decide, as the court deemed the truth or falsity of the statements to be irrelevant), the jury nonetheless returned a verdict of "Not Guilty."

Jury nullification appeared at other times in our history when the government has tried to enforce morally repugnant or unpopular laws. In the early 1800s, nullification was practiced in cases brought under the Alien and Sedition Act. In the mid 1800s, northern juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of harboring slaves in violation of the Fugitive Slave Laws. And in the Prohibition Era of the 1930s, many juries practiced nullification in prosecutions brought against individuals accused of violating alcohol control laws.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jury_nullification_in_the_United_States
Jury nullification in the United States has its origins in colonial British America. Similar to British law, in the United States jury nullification occurs when a jury in a criminal case reaches a verdict contrary to the weight of evidence, sometimes because of a disagreement with the relevant law.[1] The American jury draws its power of nullification from its right to render a general verdict in criminal trials, the inability of criminal courts to direct a verdict no matter how strong the evidence, the Fifth Amendment’s Double Jeopardy Clause, which prohibits the appeal of an acquittal,[2] and the fact that jurors can never be punished for the verdict they return.[3]
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Moot said:
One of jurists was dismissed for bias. Now it looks like the entire jury should've been dismissed.
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I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. If you're at the point where a jury will find an obiously guilty defendant not guilty to send a political message maybe charges should never have been brought
 
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Good. Now maybe we can get to the question of exactly where the government gets off pulling the crap these men were making a stand against.
 
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Also, Kate Brown needs to buy a clue. These complaints aren't new and the state hasn't done **** but ignored them.
 
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EMNofSeattle said:
I think you're focusing on the wrong thing. If you're at the point where a jury will find an obiously guilty defendant not guilty to send a political message maybe charges should never have been brought
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Or the perps should have just been shot.
 
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yeah, if we had something besides a pederast heroin cartel in the wh, we could have had everyone in jail for a dime bags of weed set free and aquitted too. but pfft.... i guess chicago gotta stay a war zone for some hillbillary's civil rights seizure election platform.....

gawd, what a moron.

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Moot said:
One of jurists was dismissed for bias. Now it looks like the entire jury should've been dismissed.
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Because you disagree with result?
 
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austrianecon said:
Because you disagree with result?
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Because the result is patently ridiculous. These men led an armed insurrection, getting one of their followers killed in the process.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Because the result is patently ridiculous. These men led an armed insurrection, getting one of their followers killed in the process.
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These men led no armed insurrection. They didn't kill anybody and they didn't attack anybody. This wasn't, War of the Regulation (NC rebellion against UK), American War of Independence or the Whiskey Rebellion. In the Whiskey Rebellion there was act insurrection and everybody arrested were found not guilty or pardoned by George Washington.

Oh and from time to time this happens in the US. Be it the AIM movement which was the "2nd Battle at Wounded Knee" and it's leaders were found not guilty. Or the full out coal mine wars in PA and WV.
 
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imo,
The Feds were not the bad people in this case. It would be interesting to hear from the jury on how they came to the conclusion they did.

The Bundy family in Nevada has grazed basically for free by failing to pay the grazing fee. What people need to realize federal land belongs to all of us. The people who took over the refuge, trashed it , used govt atv's without permission are treading on all of us.

If I was on the jury, I doubt if I could have found them not guilty of the charges.
 
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mike2810 said:
imo,
The Feds were not the bad people in this case. It would be interesting to hear from the jury on how they came to the conclusion they did.

The Bundy family in Nevada has grazed basically for free by failing to pay the grazing fee. What people need to realize federal land belongs to all of us. The people who took over the refuge, trashed it , used govt atv's without permission are treading on all of us.

If I was on the jury, I doubt if I could have found them not guilty of the charges.
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I'm sure you admonished Occupy when they trashed various locations too. Amirite? :roll:
 
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mike2810 said:
imo,
The Feds were not the bad people in this case. It would be interesting to hear from the jury on how they came to the conclusion they did.

The Bundy family in Nevada has grazed basically for free by failing to pay the grazing fee. What people need to realize federal land belongs to all of us. The people who took over the refuge, trashed it , used govt atv's without permission are treading on all of us.

If I was on the jury, I doubt if I could have found them not guilty of the charges.
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Federal land doesn't belong to us, if it belonged to us we wouldn't have to pay for access. Rather it's owned by the Federal Government and the Government charges us for use. Imagine if your local town would charge you for walking down the sidewalk in your town.. you already paid for that sidewalk, but you have to pay a fee to use it. That's exactly what the Federal Government does with land it owns. We paid for it being bought (and it's upkeep) via taxes but you aren't allow to use it without paying fees.
 
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truthatallcost said:
I'm kind of surprised that all the leaders were acquited of all charges, including weapons charges. What's your opinion?

Some charges are still open in Nevada, but this was a huge win for those involved.

Jury acquits leaders of all charges in armed standoff at federal reserve in Oregon | Q13 FOX News
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Very sad - very very sad. This sort of travesty will only encourage wing nuts like these to do this sort of crime again and again until somebody pays a price for it.
 
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truthatallcost said:
I'm kind of surprised that all the leaders were acquited of all charges, including weapons charges. What's your opinion?

Some charges are still open in Nevada, but this was a huge win for those involved.

Jury acquits leaders of all charges in armed standoff at federal reserve in Oregon | Q13 FOX News
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Good old boys acquitted by a jury of good old boys. And you were surprised? :lol:
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Because the result is patently ridiculous. These men led an armed insurrection, getting one of their followers killed in the process.
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they were found not guilty. so according to the law they are innocent of anything they were charged with.
 
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Manc Skipper said:
Because the result is patently ridiculous. These men led an armed insurrection, getting one of their followers killed in the process.
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You know you are right. What would a jury know about the case? They only observed all the witness the prosecution and defense put on and then made the decision as a group.
Of course you know better? Why would that be the case?
 
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austrianecon said:
Federal land doesn't belong to us, if it belonged to us we wouldn't have to pay for access. Rather it's owned by the Federal Government and the Government charges us for use. Imagine if your local town would charge you for walking down the sidewalk in your town.. you already paid for that sidewalk, but you have to pay a fee to use it. That's exactly what the Federal Government does with land it owns. We paid for it being bought (and it's upkeep) via taxes but you aren't allow to use it without paying fees.
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It's like renting an apartment and being charged not only for rent, but also every time you walk through the door.
 
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ludin said:
they were found not guilty. so according to the law they are innocent of anything they were charged with.
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sure thing - they can put these bozos in the INNOCENT HALL OF FAME right along side George Zimmerman, Michael Jackson, Lorena Bobbit and OJ Simpson.
 
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ludin said:
they were found not guilty. so according to the law they are innocent of anything they were charged with.
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Technically, the legal term "not guilty" does not mean "innocent"; it means that in the jury/judge's view, the prosecution did not prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. It's a subtle, but extremely important distinction.

It also doesn't apply to this particular case because as someone else noted, it was a pure case of jury nullification. The evidence was overwhelming; the jury just didn't care.
 
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calamity said:
Or the perps should have just been shot.
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You prove the wisdom of the 2nd Amendment.
 
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