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Russia taunts US with biggest military offensive since the Cold War

I fail to see how destroying the planet would could be considered as a win even by Russia!?
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If the situation were to come to a head, Putin will be the first forced to blink and he knows it! But it won't be over Ukraine nor Syria all the more so that in Syria we are pursuing the same goal, that is routing the jihadists!

If you put too many rats in a cage, they will fight. The "Elites" think that the population of the Planet Earth is getting crowded and a population reduction would be a good thing. Can you imagine that? A nuclear war would cure the population problem, like hitting a flea on a glass table with a sledgehammer. A real problem solver, eh? Is the NWO the problem or the solution. I see it as the problem, but paradigms are prologue.
 
Speaking of DHS, and ODNI:

Here is the actual statement. While they start out saying: "The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions...."

Your read further and their evidence is all speculation....

". . . are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow — the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europa and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

That's your evidence.... If I submitted a report like this to a client claiming we have proof, we'd lose that client.

Trump was against the iraq war. Hillary was for it. Hillary has engaged in wars of choice in places such as lybia.

And I have provided you "all of the evidence" you claim we have, and it's nothing but mere speculation.

1. I'm sure the report they handed the government is different than the report that was put out to the public. When you do government work you don't release everything you find out to the public right? But besides this there is actual evidence out there by cyberseurity firms and the confirmation from the different government agencies only confirms their conclusions.

2. Trump wasn't against the Iraq war, lol. But while we are at this, let's at least be honest about Hillarys stance. She wasn't itching to go into Iraq. She was cautiously convinced by the executive branch and over the top fear mongering as almost everyone was at the time. Along with this, Bush was appealing to congress that this resolution was simply meant for leverage. He would be able to use it as leverage when he goes to the UN, get a UN resolution and force Iraq into negotiations and inspections. I think it's hard to say that Bush said this in good faith when he essentially had to kick out UN inspectors who were well on their way of reporting that there were no signs of WMD's in order to attack Saddam. To suggest that Hillary was just war hungry is to completely bastardize history.

As far as Lybia goes, we assisted a NATO led coalition to enforce a UN security council resolution. The mission wasn't a war, but rather to stop a bloody civil war and to stop a government from dropping bombs on civilians.

But on top of that, Trump also supported going in to Libya.
Hillary Clinton says Trump supported intervention in Libya | PolitiFact

"I can’t believe what our country is doing," Trump said, according to the BuzzFeed transcript. "Gadhafi in Libya is killing thousands of people, nobody knows how bad it is, and we’re sitting around. We have soldiers all over the Middle East, and we’re not bringing them in to stop this horrible carnage and that’s what it is: It’s a carnage."

Trump continued.

"You talk about things that have happened in history; this could be one of the worst," he said. "Now we should go in, we should stop this guy, which would be very easy and very quick. We could do it surgically, stop him from doing it, and save these lives. This is absolutely nuts. We don’t want to get involved and you’re gonna end up with something like you’ve never seen before."

And there are numerous other quotes of him suggesting we should have gone in with troops to Libya. As well as sending troops in to Syria to wipe out ISIS. So I'm not even sure if you know what you're discussing at this point.
 
1. I'm sure the report they handed the government is different than the report that was put out to the public. When you do government work you don't release everything you find out to the public right? But besides this there is actual evidence out there by cyberseurity firms and the confirmation from the different government agencies only confirms their conclusions.


So "there is actual evidence" statement is based on what? Not what DNI or DHS posted. She claimed 17 agencies had confirmed it was Russia. How would she know that? She hasn't been in office since 2013. Do you think she's privy to information you, I or trump are not?

And if so, are you stating to me I should believe the person who said benghazi was about a video?

I noticed you could not name one agency.


2. Trump wasn't against the Iraq war, lol. But while we are at this, let's at least be honest about Hillarys stance. She wasn't itching to go into Iraq. She was cautiously convinced by the executive branch and over the top fear mongering as almost everyone was at the time. Along with this, Bush was appealing to congress that this resolution was simply meant for leverage. He would be able to use it as leverage when he goes to the UN, get a UN resolution and force Iraq into negotiations and inspections. I think it's hard to say that Bush said this in good faith when he essentially had to kick out UN inspectors who were well on their way of reporting that there were no signs of WMD's in order to attack Saddam. To suggest that Hillary was just war hungry is to completely bastardize history.


"I believe the facts that have brought us to this fateful vote are not in doubt. Saddam Hussein is a tyrant who has tortured and killed his own people, even his own family members, to maintain his iron grip on power. He used chemical weapons on Iraqi Kurds and on Iranians, killing over 20,000 people." -hillary

then theres

CNN.com - Hillary Clinton: No regret on Iraq vote - Apr 21, 2004


"“It’s time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity.”" hillary


"we came, we saw, he died" -H on quadaffi, who had all but completely surrendered before she launched the attacks..... Giving rise to ISIS.... a new enemy for the perpetual war machine.

regarding iraq, and syria "“We have to fight in the air, fight on the ground and fight them on the Internet.”




then there was libya,

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As far as Lybia goes, we assisted a NATO led coalition to enforce a UN security council resolution. The mission wasn't a war, but rather to stop a bloody civil war and to stop a government from dropping bombs on civilians.

But on top of that, Trump also supported going in to Libya.
Hillary Clinton says Trump supported intervention in Libya | PolitiFact
 
continued:

And there are numerous other quotes of him suggesting we should have gone in with troops to Libya. As well as sending troops in to Syria to wipe out ISIS. So I'm not even sure if you know what you're discussing at this point.






Well lets see then...




TRUMP: I was in favor of Libya? I never discussed that subject. We would be so much better off if Gadhafi were in charge right now. If these politicians went to the beach and didn't do a thing, and we had Saddam Hussein and if we had Gadhafi in charge, instead of having terrorism all over the place, at least they killed terrorists, all right? And I'm not saying they were good--because they were bad, they were really bad--but we don't know what we're getting. You look at Libya right now, ISIS, as we speak, is taking over their oil. As we speak, it's a total mess. We would have been better off if the politicians took a day off instead of going into war.


Your media masters lie to you when you are told he supported the iraq war. on stern it was a "meh", but on conservative radion he argued against it constantly. your media masters won't tell you this.


TRUMP: Jeb is so wrong. You fight ISIS first. You have to knock 'em out. You decide what to do after, you can't fight two wars at one time. If you listen to him, that's why we've been in the Middle East for 15 years, and we haven't won anything. We've spent $5 trillion dollars in the Middle East with thinking like that. We've spent $5 trillion dollars; we have to rebuild our country. We have to rebuild our infrastructure. you listen to that you're going to be there for another 15 years. You'll end up with world war three.


TRUMP: So, I don't like Assad. Who's going to like Assad? But, we have no idea who these people, and what they're going to be, and what they're going to represent. They may be far worse than Assad. Look at Libya. Look at Iraq. Look at the mess we have after spending $2 trillion dollars, thousands of lives, wounded warriors all over the place--we have nothing. And, I said, keep the oil. And we should have kept the oil, believe me. We should have kept the oil. And, you know what? We should have given big chunks of the oil to the people that lost their arms, their legs, and their families, and their sons, and daughters, because right now, you know who has a lot of that oil? Iran, and ISIS.




TRUMP: "At some point, are they going to be there for the next 200 years? It's going to be a long time," Trump said, when asked about Afghanistan. "We made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place. We had real brilliant thinkers that didn't know what the hell they were doing. And it's a mess. And at this point, you probably have to stay because that thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave."


TRUMP: I am the only person on this dais that fought very, very hard against us going into Iraq, because I said going into Iraq--that was in 2003, you can check it out--I'll give you 25 different stories. In fact, a delegation was sent to my office to see me because I was so vocal about it. I'm a very militaristic person, but you have to know when to use the military. I'm the only person up here that fought against going into Iraq.


TRUMP: In July of 2004, I came out strongly against the war with Iraq, because it was going to destabilize the Middle East. And I'm the only one on this stage that knew that and had the vision to say it. And that's exactly what happened. And the Middle East became totally destabilized.


My rules of engagement are pretty simple. If we are going to intervene in a conflict it had better pose a direct threat to our interest- one definition of “direct” being a threat so obvious that most Americans will know where the hot spot is on the globe and will quickly understand why we are getting involved. The threat should be so direct that our leaders, including our president, should be able to make the case clearly and concisely, which has certainly not been the case regarding the terrible events in Yugoslavia.
At the same time, we must not get involved in a long-festering conflict for humanitarian reasons. If that’s our standard, we should have troops stationed all over Africa, and much of Asia as well.







I seem to know exactly what I am talking about, on all levels here. *shrug*
 
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Well lets see then...




TRUMP: I was in favor of Libya? I never discussed that subject. We would be so much better off if Gadhafi were in charge right now. If these politicians went to the beach and didn't do a thing, and we had Saddam Hussein and if we had Gadhafi in charge, instead of having terrorism all over the place, at least they killed terrorists, all right? And I'm not saying they were good--because they were bad, they were really bad--but we don't know what we're getting. You look at Libya right now, ISIS, as we speak, is taking over their oil. As we speak, it's a total mess. We would have been better off if the politicians took a day off instead of going into war.


Your media masters lie to you when you are told he supported the iraq war. on stern it was a "meh", but on conservative radion he argued against it constantly. your media masters won't tell you this.


TRUMP: Jeb is so wrong. You fight ISIS first. You have to knock 'em out. You decide what to do after, you can't fight two wars at one time. If you listen to him, that's why we've been in the Middle East for 15 years, and we haven't won anything. We've spent $5 trillion dollars in the Middle East with thinking like that. We've spent $5 trillion dollars; we have to rebuild our country. We have to rebuild our infrastructure. you listen to that you're going to be there for another 15 years. You'll end up with world war three.


TRUMP: So, I don't like Assad. Who's going to like Assad? But, we have no idea who these people, and what they're going to be, and what they're going to represent. They may be far worse than Assad. Look at Libya. Look at Iraq. Look at the mess we have after spending $2 trillion dollars, thousands of lives, wounded warriors all over the place--we have nothing. And, I said, keep the oil. And we should have kept the oil, believe me. We should have kept the oil. And, you know what? We should have given big chunks of the oil to the people that lost their arms, their legs, and their families, and their sons, and daughters, because right now, you know who has a lot of that oil? Iran, and ISIS.




TRUMP: "At some point, are they going to be there for the next 200 years? It's going to be a long time," Trump said, when asked about Afghanistan. "We made a terrible mistake getting involved there in the first place. We had real brilliant thinkers that didn't know what the hell they were doing. And it's a mess. And at this point, you probably have to stay because that thing will collapse about two seconds after they leave."


TRUMP: I am the only person on this dais that fought very, very hard against us going into Iraq, because I said going into Iraq--that was in 2003, you can check it out--I'll give you 25 different stories. In fact, a delegation was sent to my office to see me because I was so vocal about it. I'm a very militaristic person, but you have to know when to use the military. I'm the only person up here that fought against going into Iraq.


TRUMP: In July of 2004, I came out strongly against the war with Iraq, because it was going to destabilize the Middle East. And I'm the only one on this stage that knew that and had the vision to say it. And that's exactly what happened. And the Middle East became totally destabilized.


My rules of engagement are pretty simple. If we are going to intervene in a conflict it had better pose a direct threat to our interest- one definition of “direct” being a threat so obvious that most Americans will know where the hot spot is on the globe and will quickly understand why we are getting involved. The threat should be so direct that our leaders, including our president, should be able to make the case clearly and concisely, which has certainly not been the case regarding the terrible events in Yugoslavia.
At the same time, we must not get involved in a long-festering conflict for humanitarian reasons. If that’s our standard, we should have troops stationed all over Africa, and much of Asia as well.







I seem to know exactly what I am talking about, on all levels here. *shrug*

No. you just take what he is currently saying and take it as gospel then ignore what he said before and during the beginning of those affaires. You just so desperately want it to be true lol.
 
If you put too many rats in a cage, they will fight. The "Elites" think that the population of the Planet Earth is getting crowded and a population reduction would be a good thing. Can you imagine that? A nuclear war would cure the population problem, like hitting a flea on a glass table with a sledgehammer. A real problem solver, eh? Is the NWO the problem or the solution. I see it as the problem, but paradigms are prologue.
You are delusional: a nuclear war will solve the overpopulation problem in that it will turn life on earth into a living hell for EVERYBODY because of the radioactive fallouts! We would be forced to live in tunnels like rats and wear hazemat suits whenever we would want to go outside.
 
You are delusional: a nuclear war will solve the overpopulation problem in that it will turn life on earth into a living hell for EVERYBODY because of the radioactive fallouts! We would be forced to live in tunnels like rats and wear hazemat suits whenever we would want to go outside.

I think you are failing to perceive his sarcasm. He is not advocating for nuclear war, he is merely pointing out the possibility that some in the world might favor it as a means to destroy humanity.
 
I think you are failing to perceive his sarcasm. He is not advocating for nuclear war, he is merely pointing out the possibility that some in the world might favor it as a means to destroy humanity.

Not destroy humanity, but settle the overpopulation issue. There were no sarcasm involved, he was just peddling a well-knowned and crazy conspiracy theory.
 
I'm not sure if they were so much emboldened by Obama as much as Putin is a megalomaniac KGB ass who dreams of re-establishing the glory of the old USSR, and being the enemy of the West was a big part of that culture.

I think it's more he believes we are moving in on Russia by arming his neighbors and sabotaging his economy via sanctions. He feels his back is to the wall.
 
I think it's more he believes we are moving in on Russia by arming his neighbors and sabotaging his economy via sanctions. He feels his back is to the wall.

Yeah, but most of that comes from him being a megalomaniac KGB ass who dreams or re-establishing the glory of the old USSR.
 
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