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Ted Cruz calls for Criminal Probe lnto ‘Voter Fraud ’ Visits to White House

If this were Paul Ryan meeting with a political operative who was caught on tape talking about vote fraud, you'd be singing a different tune.

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Unsure I would. If all Democrats had was a Ryan office visitors log I would be asking what else they had too.

I'm the cynic in the room guys, when Republicans go after Obama/Hillary time and time again resulting in little to nothing I question the new reasons to have yet another investigation.
 
Go with ad hominem all you need to, the question stands. What else you got other than association via a visitors log?

What more is needed to launch an investigation?
 
What more is needed to launch an investigation?

If a visitors log is the standard to launch an investigation on someone, exclusively because of meeting with someone else who is dubious why are we only looking at Obama?

I'm being quite serious here.
 
I'm really not interested in what you noted. Opportunity cost is not an expense, ask an accountant.

If they are working on with hunts, they aren't doing other things, hence the waste of money. No need to ask an accountant about that obvious fact. You can play your word games all you want but witch hunts are a waste of time and time = money.
 
If they are working on with hunts, they aren't doing other things, hence the waste of money. No need to ask an accountant about that obvious fact. You can play your word games all you want but witch hunts are a waste of time and time = money.

Since you don't understand the distinction between opportunity cost and an actual expense, it is a waste of time trying to explain it to you. They are only word games when you don't understand the words. I've not commented on the legitimacy of the investigations but someone with the authority to approve the investigations did so.
 
Oh look, Cruz is trying to redeem himself before the sludge of the right wing. Go **** yourself.
 
What more is needed to launch an investigation?
No offense, but do you have any idea of the level of police state for which you are advocating here?

Using your same line of logic, if the police see your friend driving a car, they should pull them over and check the car for drugs. After all, we know people transport drugs in cars so what more evidence do we need to justify checking? And if they find drugs in your friend's car, what more is needed to come search your car and your house? After all, you're talking with a drug user, what more is needed to launch an investigation?

OrphanSlug is correct. There is no law against two people meeting or talking. A visitor log stating as such is not enough to justify launching an investigation. Unless you have solid evidence of actual wrongdoing, calling for an investigation is just partisan nonsense.

Also, you accusing OrphanSlug of being a partisan hack is just hilarious. Not only because of the source, but also because OrphanSlug is far from partisan.
 
No offense, but do you have any idea of the level of police state for which you are advocating here?

Using your same line of logic, if the police see your friend driving a car, they should pull them over and check the car for drugs. After all, we know people transport drugs in cars so what more evidence do we need to justify checking? And if they find drugs in your friend's car, what more is needed to come search your car and your house? After all, you're talking with a drug user, what more is needed to launch an investigation?

OrphanSlug is correct. There is no law against two people meeting or talking. A visitor log stating as such is not enough to justify launching an investigation. Unless you have solid evidence of actual wrongdoing, calling for an investigation is just partisan nonsense.

Also, you accusing OrphanSlug of being a partisan hack is just hilarious. Not only because of the source, but also because OrphanSlug is far from partisan.

Good grief, what an absolute load of hypocritical nonsense. If this were the Bush White House, and someone was captured on tape admitting to voter fraud, and visited the Bush White House on a daily basis, you and your ilk would be screaming for frog marches ad nauseam. Do you really think you are fooling anyone with this bull****?

Oh, and since when is investigating criminal activity a "police state"? Don't be ridiculous.
 
Good grief, what an absolute load of hypocritical nonsense. If this were the Bush White House, and someone was captured on tape admitting to voter fraud, and visited the Bush White House on a daily basis, you and your ilk would be screaming for frog marches ad nauseam. Do you really think you are fooling anyone with this bull****?
You said absolutely nothing related to anything I said. We're not talking about Bush and I don't have an ilk. Also, if you think I would be saying something different if Bush was in office, you are wrong. If you continue to push something which is inaccurate, it would make you a liar. Don't go down that road.

Please stop with the red herrings and address what is actually being said. You are calling for an investigation for no better reason than a visitor log. Again, this would be akin to the police raiding your home searching for your drugs because your buddy got caught with a little weed.

Oh, and since when is investigating criminal activity a "police state"? Don't be ridiculous.
What evidence do you have Barack Obama engaged in criminal activity? You have a visitor log. You have presented nothing else. You are actively advocating a fishing expedition, which is most definitely a characteristic of a police state.

You don't be ridiculous and take off your red cheerleader outfit. You are advocating for a police state based on nothing more than a visitor log. Keep your eye on your front door the next time one of your buddies gets pulled over for drunk driving.
 
Why is this a partisan issue? Until we are all willing to fight corruption where we find it, we'll continue to get exactly what we deserve.

Good question and good point, Maggie.
 
truthatallcost said:
Sen. Ted Cruz called for a “serious criminal investigation” into multiple visits to the White House by Democratic consultant Robert Creamer after undercover videos showed he was involved in hiring protesters to disrupt Donald Trump events.

Mr. Cruz’s comment came after the Daily Caller reported that White that Mr. Creamer has paid 342 visits to the White House, including 47 with Mr. Obama, since 2009.
Mr. Creamer, the husband of Rep. Jan Schakowsky, Illinois Democrat, was sentenced to five months in prison after pleading guilty to tax and banking violations in 2005.

Am I missing something here?

How does paid visits to the WH and fake paid protesters equate to voter fraud?

Now, I've watched the video linked in the OP Washington Times article which folks can watch below. At the 5:36 mark, the individual being interviewed, Scott Foval, states clearly:

The (Clinton) campaigns and DNC cannot go near Priorities (USA), but I guaran-damn-tee you that the people who run the SuperPACs all talk to each other and we and a few other people are the hubs of that communication.

He even elaborates further as that dialog continues. The communications Ms. Foval was referring to, however, were the "dark behind-the-scenes" side of politics that takes place on both sides of the isle whether Democrat or Republican, but in this case he's talking DNC discussions. I get the inference concerning the WH visits - that if this guy has access to the POTUS who is a Democrat and the POTUS is out campaigning for Hillary then he has to know of these under handed tactics. And if he knows, he's sure to tell Hillary. Towhich I say, "Well, maybe...the likelihood of such 'strategic' political ground-game information is shared down stream is very possible. But talking strategy is very different from talking tactics. I don't think this guy would be so stupid as to reveal what ground-game tactics his SuperPAC would employ against a political rival.

Bottom line: Yeah, there are plants at rival campaign rallies - paid agitators. We all know that. This strategy is employed on both sides. What's significant about this video is here we have the head of a liberal SuperPAC admitting to an under investigative reporter that he uses dirty pool on behalf of the DNC and the DNC is surely aware of much of what he and his PAC and some SuperPACs for the Democrat Party are doing.

Disgusting? Absolutely!

But all that notwithstanding, I still fail to see where allegations of voter fraud comes into play here.



BTW, before anyone says it, let's get one thing straight.

These liberal plants at Trump rallies, all they're doing is stoking the flames of hatred that already lay beneath within the hearts of many of Trump's supporters, particularly the White Nationalist types. I don't think these plants are going around calling Trump supporters racist prior to confrontations breaking out. That verbal jousting takes place after the deplorable action has already taken place. But it's the assailants character that resides underneath that comes to the surface when confronted. All the plant did was bring that anger and hatred to the surface which, of course, was the central purpose for the plant being there in the first place...to get under the skin of Trump supporters at their rallies.
 
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I want to clarify one thing from my post above. When I said:

I don't think these plants are going around calling Trump supporters racist prior to confrontations breaking out.

What needs to be added after is "The plants may call Trump a racist, but I don't think that call out his supporters until they react to such accusations."

I'm not defending these under handed tactics. I think it's despicable regardless of which side does it. But none of this has anything to do with voter fraud. So, if the OP wanted to discuss these dark political tactics, I'm all for that because that's really the focus of the OP article and the linked video (reposted in my post #36). But voter fraud...nope, don't see it here.
 
UPDATE - Democratic heads roll after video shows agitators planted at Trump rallies

Two top Democratic strategists have exited the presidential campaign after explosive undercover videos showed them discussing voter fraud and their roles in planting paid agitators at campaign events for Republican candidate Donald Trump.

Robert Creamer, founder of Democracy Advocates and the husband of Rep. Janice D. Schakowsky, Illinois Democrat, stepped down from the campaign Tuesday, a day after Scott Foval was fired from his post as national field director of Americans United for Change.

Mr. Trump, who has long complained of a “rigged” election system, said at a Tuesday rally in Colorado that the video released by the conservative group Project Veritas Action confirmed his suspicions of Democrat-sponsored political chicanery.

“The protesters are paid a lot of money by the [Democratic National Committee], and they kept saying, ‘I wonder why those people are here, because they never seem to have much on their mind other than stand up and protest,’” Mr. Trump told a crowd in Colorado Springs. “And yesterday it came out, but it was barely covered by the media. But it’s all over the internet. They were busted.”

Source: Undercover video shows Democrats saying they hire agitators to disrupt Donald Trump events - Washington Times
 
What else you got besides a White House visitors log?

Try this on for size.
Two local Democratic operatives lose jobs after video sting on voter fraud - Chicago Tribune
Robert Creamer, husband of Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., and Scott Foval -- two little-known but influential Democratic political operatives -- have left their jobs after video investigations by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas Action found them entertaining dark notions about how to win elections.
Foval was laid off on Monday by Americans United for Change, where he had been national field director. Creamer announced Tuesday night that he was "stepping back" from the work he was doing for the unified Democratic campaign for Hillary Clinton.
The result of all that was that the "Rigging the Election" videos got a skeptical reception — at first. But the video of Foval, a Wisconsin-based politico with a long resume, had him bragging about a litany of political dirty tricks. In the first video, he boasts of "conflict engagement in the lines of Trump rallies," takes credit for the violence that canceled a Trump rally at the University of Illinois in Chicago, admits he's paid "mentally ill" people to start trouble, and says there's a "Pony Express" that keeps Democratic operatives in touch, regardless of whether they work for super PACs or the campaigns not permitted to coordinate with super PACs.

In the second video, Foval spends five minutes discussing how voters might be brought from outside Wisconsin to commit voter fraud, buying cars with Wisconsin plates to avoid looking suspicious. "We've been bussing people in to deal with you f---kin' a--holes for fifty years and we're not going to stop now," he says.

White House denies Obama friends with Democratic operative linked to agitators at Trump rallies - Washington Times
Asked if Robert Creamer was a friend of the president, White House press secretary Josh Earnest said, “That’s not how I would describe him.” He is married to Democratic Rep. Jan Schakowsky of Illinois, a close ally of Mr. Obama.

Mr. Creamer, founder of Democracy Advocates, stepped down from his role helping the campaign of Hillary Clinton Tuesday, a day after Scott Foval was fired from his post as national field director of Americans United for Change. Undercover video released by the conservative group Project Veritas showed the two Democratic strategists discussing voter fraud and their roles in sending paid agitators to campaign events for Mr. Trump.

Visitor logs show Mr. Creamer making 340 visits to the White House, with 45 of those meetings including Mr. Obama. Mr. Earnest said he had no information about those meetings, but cautioned that it was highly unlikely that Mr. Creamer had “one-on-one” meetings with the president.

It looks like an issue that warrants investigating.

What I found funny from the above quote was this:
Mr. Earnest said he had no information about those meetings, but cautioned that it was highly unlikely that Mr. Creamer had “one-on-one” meetings with the president.
He thinks that it was highly unlikely that he met with the president but he didn't know anything about the visits that are recorded in the log.
 
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A political side show that is doubtful to result in an investigation and even more doubtful to result in charges against someone.

this administration isn't going to charge anyone for anything unless they are political opponents.
 
Try this on for size.
Two local Democratic operatives lose jobs after video sting on voter fraud - Chicago Tribune



White House denies Obama friends with Democratic operative linked to agitators at Trump rallies - Washington Times


It looks like an issue that warrants investigating.

What I found funny from the above quote was this:

He thinks that it was highly unlikely that he met with the president but he didn't know anything about the visits that are recorded in the log.

inciting a riot or inciting violence is a criminal offense and I do believe a felony. so why are they not being arrested and thrown in jail.
 
The GOP being as craven as ever. First they act horrified by Donald's horrible comments, then they see his support, then they crumple and join.

When we look back and wonder how tyrannical leaders were ever allowed to rise out of representational republics, the answer always seems to be the same: through the cowardice of others.
 
Why is it a one way street? (That is really my ultimate issue.)

It shouldn't be. Every crooked rat should be exposed and run out of the pantry.
 
inciting a riot or inciting violence is a criminal offense and I do believe a felony. so why are they not being arrested and thrown in jail.

It would give credence to the premise that the DNC, Clinton or Obama is tied to the actions of these ass clowns. The new rule is that only the Russians are guilty of rigging an election via a guy from Australia that leaked documents on Russia that hates CLinton even though nobody can prove that Russia hacked the documents. It is pretty hard to follow all those twists and turns.
 
Am I missing something here?

How does paid visits to the WH and fake paid protesters equate to voter fraud?

Creamer appears to have been Foval's boss at Americans United for Change. I'm assuming that Project Veritas gained access to Creamer through Foval:

The husband of Illinois Democratic Rep. Jan Schakowsky, Robert Creamer, who committed $2.3 million in bank fraud in the 1990s, is currently leading the anti-conservative Americans United For Change, the Illinois Review reported.

Creamer, a political consultant who worked with the Democratic National Committee to consult Barack Obama on his two presidential campaigns...

Hillary Clinton's own campaign manager voiced concerns that Obama had connections to voter fraud in 2008!:

“They are reliving the 08 caucuses where they believe the Obama forces flooded the caucuses with ineligible voters. They want to organize lawyers for caucus protection, election protection and to raise hard $.”
LEAK: Obama ‘Flooded The Caucuses With Ineligible Voters’ | The Daily Caller

What does it tell you when even Hillary Clinton's staff believes that Obama had a hand in serious voter fraud? It's not just wacky right wingers saying it!
 
Unsure I would. If all Democrats had was a Ryan office visitors log I would be asking what else they had too.

I'm the cynic in the room guys, when Republicans go after Obama/Hillary time and time again resulting in little to nothing I question the new reasons to have yet another investigation.

So, from here to eternity she gets a free pass....Good logic.
 
So, from here to eternity she gets a free pass....Good logic.

That is not what I said... so, you have very poor logic.
 
That is not what I said... so, you have very poor logic.

Well, what does it mean when you are opining what good it does to investigate this particular wrong, when she's been investigated in the past for other things and nothing has been found? Sounds to me like exactly what you are saying.
 
The GOP being as craven as ever. First they act horrified by Donald's horrible comments, then they see his support, then they crumple and join.

When we look back and wonder how tyrannical leaders were ever allowed to rise out of representational republics, the answer always seems to be the same: through the cowardice of others.

Oh, so only courageous people are liberals....I see....lol
 
What else you got besides a White House visitors log?

What else do you need?

The fact is that a convicted bank fraud criminal who is caught on tape discussing voter fraud has an open access to both the White House and Obama himself seems enough to warrant a look cursory glance.
 
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