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US finds growing evidence Russia feeding emails to WikiLeaks

So you find foreign influence equitable to domestic special interest? That is at best stupid, and at worse treasonous.

Uhh, how American is George Soros, really? He's a Hungarian businessman who believes in One World Global Governance, and the dissolution of nations. He's based in Europe, working for these goals. He's spending lots of money for this purpose.

My dad was in the financial industry and used to work with some Hungarian contemporaries of Soros - people who later became wealthy financiers themselves. Their worldviews were shaped by their experience of escaping upheaval in Europe and their mistrust of nations. Of course all these people have big hangups about Russia, and they'll always be reliving the Cold War or WW2.

Look, the rest of us can't live orbiting around their unique personal experiences - we all have lives to live and can't all be subordinated to their peculiar needs/whims.
 
Re: Russia manipulating US election?

I don't care where the info comes from as long as it's true.
You peeps should realize that hacked info can be redacted and/or altered. There is no code of honesty among such thieves.
 
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Μολὼν λαβέ;1066440306 said:
So what's the big deal? George Soros is manipulating the US election too. As are CNN, MSNBC, CBS, NBC...

I want everyone to take a snapshot of this moment and remember, the extremist right who is supporting Trump, that allegedly wants to "make America great again" seems perfectly comfortable with a foreign government and a transnational hacking group attempting to influence an election because it benefits them.

Justification?

Their guy got caught on a hot mic saying some pretty crazy ****, therefore the media is unfair so a foreign government can hack the election as payback!

Just when I thought Trump and the Trumpeteers couldn't get any more deplorable, there they go again, Clinton was right.
 
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I want everyone to take a snapshot of this moment and remember, the extremist right who is supporting Trump, that allegedly wants to "make America great again" seems perfectly comfortable with a foreign government and a transnational hacking group attempting to influence an election because it benefits them.

Justification?

Their guy got caught on a hot mic saying some pretty crazy ****, therefore the media is unfair so a foreign government can hack the election as payback!

Just when I thought Trump and the Trumpeteers couldn't get any more deplorable, there they go again, Clinton was right.

George Soros is a trans-nationalist extremist Leftist running a group which is funding various groups to influence and undermine national sovereignty.

Don't lie by claiming that revulsion for Soros is only a few weeks old, and started because of that Trump tape revelation. Soros has been an a**hole for quite some time now, with plenty of people being fed up with him for quite some time now.

What about the massive collusion by the MSM with the DNC? What's needed is for the MSM to be hacked and exposed publicly on Wikileaks or whatever. Once the crooked secrets of the major news outlets and their collusion are exposed, then let's see them deny.

This sh!t needs to be investigated the same way that insider trading is investigated. It's collusion and it's defrauding the ordinary everyday consumers of news media information.
 
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Simpleχity;1066442234 said:
You peeps should realize that hacked info can be redacted and/or altered. There is no code of honesty among such thieves.

Shhh, don't interrupt, they are busy doing something important, hey look a butterfly, ummm now what was it we were "discussing".

Good Grief we have become nothing more than sheep that think they actually know what is going on, we are going to get exactly what we deserve.
 
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No, I don't believe either. You are trying to make an ether or thing. I don't have to believe one or the other. I believe that anyone in the Obama administration is capable of lying to push votes in the direction of Hillary. I also believe that it is possible that Russia is behind the hack but that doesn't make any sense.

Here is what bothers me about the whole "Russia hacked us" thing. Whoever hacked us has released usernames and passwords on several accounts on the DCN, DCCC and Clinton.com servers. That means they had free reign to sit back and suck up intel for years. Why would they give that up? Just so Trump could be elected? I just don't buy that. Now everyone has tightened security (theoretically) because of the exposed hacks and it only made it harder to collect intel. I think it was an individual. That individual might be a Russian or German or Austrian or American. There is a guy called Cyberzeist that hacked the DNC and Clinton.com server on the 14th and put all the usernames, passwords and credit card info of every account holder on those servers. He is also the same one that hacked Podesta's phone account and wiped all of his cloud information. He also hacked his twitter account on the same night. This is just one guy.

Here is some stuff on a reddit page about him. He is saying that he is going to leak some of the latest info from those servers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald...eaks_to_come_preview/?st=iugjiyw6&sh=eb69fb91

If you want to look around the net at some of his stuff be careful where you go.

I get that we need to be careful what we read on the net but you're saying it's the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security who are lying. Those aren't dodgy news sites or partisan blogs. If they can't be trusted, you literally have nobody in your country you can trust.
Unless they seem to be on Trumps side. Why did you give me a link to posts by random people on something called 'R/VOTE_TRUMP'?
 
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I get that we need to be careful what we read on the net but you're saying it's the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security who are lying. Those aren't dodgy news sites or partisan blogs. If they can't be trusted, you literally have nobody in your country you can trust.
Unless they seem to be on Trumps side. Why did you give me a link to posts by random people on something called 'R/VOTE_TRUMP'?

You got it. I don't trust our govt. The more one knows about our govt the less they trust it. Ask anyone that has worked very long for the govt. Jeh Johnson has been hammered by a judge for lying under oath. He said that he didn't intend to lie and that it was a mistake.

Unless they seem to be on Trumps side. Why did you give me a link to posts by random people on something called 'R/VOTE_TRUMP'?
I thought you were capable of an honest and intelligent conversation so I linked information about a guy that hacked the DNC and Clinton.com server. I can see that you didn't understand that, even after I explained it. Interesting. Maybe I over estimated you.
 
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You got it. I don't trust our govt. The more one knows about our govt the less they trust it. Ask anyone that has worked very long for the govt. Jeh Johnson has been hammered by a judge for lying under oath. He said that he didn't intend to lie and that it was a mistake.


I thought you were capable of an honest and intelligent conversation so I linked information about a guy that hacked the DNC and Clinton.com server. I can see that you didn't understand that, even after I explained it. Interesting. Maybe I over estimated you.

No, there was nothing there, nothing that wasn't asking to be taken at face value.

It's a strange place you've all come to, where high-level government officials charged with collecting and analyzing intelligence and others charges with maintaining the security of your country can't be believed but some random username on a message board can. And where a candidate for the presidency can say that the election is a fraud, being manipulated like some banana-republic or old Soviet-bloc dictatorship and so-called patriots will applaud him. If you believe Donald Trump, how can you ever believe your government or trust the democratic process again? If Trump got elected, would he be incapable of 'rigging' his re-election?
 
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I don't think Donald Trump has anything to do with this. You people are giving him waaaaaaay too much credit.
 
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No, there was nothing there, nothing that wasn't asking to be taken at face value.

It's a strange place you've all come to, where high-level government officials charged with collecting and analyzing intelligence and others charges with maintaining the security of your country can't be believed but some random username on a message board can. And where a candidate for the presidency can say that the election is a fraud, being manipulated like some banana-republic or old Soviet-bloc dictatorship and so-called patriots will applaud him. If you believe Donald Trump, how can you ever believe your government or trust the democratic process again? If Trump got elected, would he be incapable of 'rigging' his re-election?

I was right that I was wrong about you actually having an intelligent conversation about this subject and you just confirmed it yet again. I was done with this conversation when you went off the tracks in post 31. It went way over your head. I am sorry I over estimated the possibility.
 
Simpleχity;1066442234 said:
You peeps should realize that hacked info can be redacted and/or altered. There is no code of honesty among such thieves.

It could also be factual and an accurate representation. The problem is no one is releasing their version of events so people can make a comparison and judge for themselves the validly of the leaks
 
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Simpleχity;1066442234 said:
You peeps should realize that hacked info can be redacted and/or altered. There is no code of honesty among such thieves.

There's also no code of honesty among governments. It's a simple matter to pay people or hire agents to pose as victims of sexual assaults in order to slander the reputations of people, and cause them legal issues. I think the slanderous accusation that Wikileaks is tied to Russia is just as implausible as accusing Assange of being a sex offender. All you have to do is make up a story and feed it to your corporately owned media, and the person is ruined. Doesn't matter if they haven't even seen a courtroom about it.

The U.S. government will go no end to suppress its dissidents. Wikileaks is one of the last bastions of freedom of information that would help democracies to regulate their corrupt aspects. American journalism is defunct. Our own people are no longer doing their jobs to expose the government because they are either under corporate/government control, or they are afraid that they'll suddenly find themselves facing criminal charges for something they never even did. Or worse, they could end up dead.

People vastly underestimate what the U.S. government is capable of.
 
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I was right that I was wrong about you actually having an intelligent conversation about this subject and you just confirmed it yet again. I was done with this conversation when you went off the tracks in post 31. It went way over your head. I am sorry I over estimated the possibility.

Attaboy. Never watch strike three.
 
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