3 men charged in Garden City bomb plot

I wonder why it was important to them to do this the day after the election?

truthatallcost said:

Go read your own list, it's frigging ancient. Christian domestic terrorism isn't an issue that 99% of the population worries about. Islamic terrorism is.

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True they do not, yet Militias are at the top or in 2nd place for terror attacks.
It is easy to ramp up hatred of all Muslims, they are different from us, must be a danger.
Trump has done a bang up job of marginalizing Muslims in your country. And a fair number on this board support him for that.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/opinion/the-other-terror-threat.html

In a survey we conducted with the Police Executive Research Forum last year of 382 law enforcement agencies, 74 percent reported anti-government extremism as one of the top three terrorist threats in their jurisdiction; 39 percent listed extremism connected with Al Qaeda or like-minded terrorist organizations. And only 3 percent identified the threat from Muslim extremists as severe, compared with 7 percent for anti-government and other forms of extremism.

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DHS report warns of domestic terror threat - CNNPolitics.com

Among the findings from the Homeland Security intelligence assessment: "(Sovereign citizen) violence during 2015 will occur most frequently during routine law enforcement encounters at a suspect's home, during enforcement stops and at government offices."

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Phys251 said:

You can just stop right there.

I am starting to wonder whether you have even read your own Bible. I don't mean cherry-picked a few verses in the way you like. I mean actually read the damn thing. Because if you had, you would discover verses such as these:

"And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods." Numbers 31:8-9​

Oh wait, it gets better:

"And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive? Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." v. 15-18​

Any question as to whether Moses was outright telling his soldiers to rape the captured girls--not women, girls--is put to rest here.

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I know those verses very well and I've already known you're going to pull them up here. So, where's the rape or command to rape or use them for sex slaves as allowed in the quran and depicted graphically in the ahadith and the sirat?

The Israelites were supposed to kill them all, but they saved the women's lives in contrary to what they were told. So, Moses allowed them to keep those female children who have not known a man by lying with him so their lives can be spared. That doesn't mean to have sex with them. They could have adopted the children as their daughters or to serve as servants in the house or offer them to serve in the tabernacle helping the priests.

dolphinocean said:

I know those verses very well and I've already known you're going to pull them up here. So, where's the rape or command to rape or use them for sex slaves as allowed in the quran and depicted graphically in the ahadith and the sirat?

The Israelites were supposed to kill them all, but they saved the women's lives in contrary to what they were told. So, Moses allowed them to keep those female children who have not known a man by lying with him so their lives can be spared. That doesn't mean to have sex with them. They could have adopted the children as their daughters or to serve as servants in the house or offer them to serve in the tabernacle helping the priests.

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The mental gymnastics you are going through to defend your absurd position are phenomenal. Why are you trying to convince me that when one religion's god tells its followers to rape and pillage, it's a bad thing, but when a different religion's god does it, it's okay? Seems that your position boils down to simply being on the right team, not whether that team plays fair.

Phys251 said:

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The mental gymnastics is on your part and always have been from your pro-islam camp despite the obvious, so you can stop turning the table. You can't quote me a verse in the Bible that the men took the female children into their tent having sex.

In Number 31:18 the phrase "women children" refers to female children, i.e. little girls. The Hebrew word used here is טַף taph (pronouced as tough). It's derived from root word טָפַף taphaph, which means to trip, to skip, to take quick little steps or tripping waddling gait, used to describe the walking pattern of little children.

As such the word טַף taph simply refers to little children, little ones or toddlers. This word has been translated numerous times in other parts of the OT Scriptures as "little ones" (Gen 34:29, 43:8. 45:19, 46:5, 47:24, 50:8, 50:21; Ex 10:10, 10:24, Num 16:27, 31:9, 31:17, 32:16, 32:17, 32:24 ... all the way to the Books of Deut, Joshua, Judges, 2 Sam, 2 Chron, Ezra, Esther, etc and elsewhere translated as little children or simply children).

These little toddlers now have no parents. So, the choices are: 1) to keep them alive with you, 2) to kill them, or 3) to discard them to their own demise out in the desolation.

Moses simply decided to let them keep the toddlers alive and thus told them: "keep alive for yourselves". However, just to be literal about it, the English word "keep" is not in the Hebrew verse. The English translation, "keep alive for yourselves", in Hebrew is הַחֲיוּ לָכֶֽם׃ hachayu lakhem.

The first word from the right, הַחֲיו hachayu is a verb of perfect tense in the Hilphil stem with imperative mood (causative imperiative) of the verb חָיָה chayah, meaning to be alive or to live. So, therefore, הַחֲיוּ לָכֶֽם׃ hachayu lakhem literally means they be caused to be alive for your sake.

Furthermore, after ordering the purifying of the Israelite warriors and the little captives of their sins, verses 25-47 deals with the proportion whereby the prey is to be divided. The prey includes both humans and animals. Regarding the human prey, i.e. female little children, the Bible states:


So, there ... these portion was offered as tribute to God, dedicated as service to the priest and Levites to the charge of the tabernacle of the Lord. No sexual intercourse, no rape or sex slaves, etc except in your mind with your bias gynmastics.

If you care to study the Bible with an honest and open mind, you'll find the Biblical God is a Holy God Who hates fornication, sexual deviancy and adultery. Remember what Jesus warned about hurting the little ones? Given that nowhere in the text did it mention anything about carnal knowledge with the captives, not even when the Israelites were ordered to decimate the various tribes of Canaan, so why are you so quick to misrepresent and defame the Bible in defense of islam where forcing sex with female captives by the islamic jihadis is EXPRESSIVELY PERMISSIBLE in the quran, the ahadith and the sirat.

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I know you hate the Bible and Christian belief. So, nothing I say is going to sway your hardened mind. But, know this. Whatever you pulled up from the Old Testament, they are narratives of events that transpired more than 3,000 years ago. The wars the Israelites were commanded by God through Moses to fight were against a group of ancient tribes that no longer exist to this day. Even the Israelites to which the military codes and Levitical laws to whom they applied were no longer here. The Mandate of the Promise Land to destroy and drive out the wicked Canaanites had been done with long ago. Therefore, what you dug out from the OT to smear the Bible is not going to fly because no modern day Jew or Christian is carrying out whatever mandate of the ancient past to those designated ancient tribes that are no longer in existence let alone occupying the Promised Land.


The converse cannot be said of islam. The commandments in the quran apply to muslims then and muslims now and against the infidels then and the infidels now. As long as there are still infidels occupying an inch of this earth, islam requires its faithful slaves to slaughter all unbelieving infidels until all religion is for allah. That's the islamic jihad and that's allah's mandate for all time and space.

dolphinocean said:

I know you hate the Bible and Christian belief. So, nothing I say is going to sway your hardened mind. But, know this. Whatever you pulled up from the Old Testament, they are narratives of events that transpired more than 3,000 years ago. The wars the Israelites were commanded by God through Moses to fight were against a group of ancient tribes that no longer exist to this day. Even the Israelites to which the military codes and Levitical laws to whom they applied were no longer here. The Mandate of the Promise Land to destroy and drive out the wicked Canaanites had been done with long ago. Therefore, what you dug out from the OT to smear the Bible is not going to fly because no modern day Jew or Christian is carrying out whatever mandate of the ancient past to those designated ancient tribes that are no longer in existence let alone occupying the Promised Land.

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What laughable rationalizing.

It's the same god, whether OT or NT, and it commanded people to kill infants. There is simply no getting around that fact.

It's no 'smear' to label that god a sociopathic freak of the worst sort.

Tanngrisnir said:

What laughable rationalizing.

It's the same god, whether OT or NT, and it commanded people to kill infants. There is simply no getting around that fact.

It's no 'smear' to label that god a sociopathic freak of the worst sort.

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It seems you have reading problem or your mind is blocking you from the truth. In that case, I can't help you.

danarhea said:

Damn, it's those Muslims again, planning to detonate bombs that could have killed more than 100 people, including women and children...............

Wait, it's 3 militia white guys, and I hope they never see the light of day again. All 3 are also charged with conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction.

3 men charged in Garden City bomb plot

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Why can't you just post a story about domestic terrorism without making a racist rant about those worried about Radical Islamic Terrorism?

Tanngrisnir said:

But... but.... but....

BENGHAZI!!!!

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but ... but .... but ...

Islamic Terrorism DWARFS terrorism by non-Muslims.

dolphinocean said:

It seems you have reading problem or your mind is blocking you from the truth. In that case, I can't help you.

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Pity you can't rationally address what I said.

I expected nothing else.

beefheart said:

And muslims aren't gonna kill you in your sleep, are they?

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It's happened in France to a police officer and his wife who were stalked and murdered at their home at night, by an Isis inspired terrorist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...71760f-68be-48d3-96e9-df35dc5d7e5b_story.html

A much larger attack against police officers in their homes was planned by Somali terrorists in Minnesota, but luckily the FBI stopped it.

Phys251 said:

More anti-abortion violence:



All of these incidents occurred after the Murrah Building bombing.

What were you saying about things being quiet since April 19, 1995?

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I counted how many deaths actually occurred in that copy n paste marathon of yours; exactly 33 deaths.
It took you 4 posts, which detailed events that span 20+ years, to produce 33 deaths.

More than 33 people have been killed this year in the U.S. by Islamic terrorism.

iguanaman said:

I'm just waiting to see the Trump bumper stickers on their cars....it is pretty certain that Trump lost 3 votes. He is really having a bad week.

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Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat. Want to own that one?

truthatallcost said:

Omar Mateen was a registered Democrat. Want to own that one?

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Omar Mateen was a gay psychopath. These 3 goobers have Trump written all over them.

danarhea said:

Damn, it's those Muslims again, planning to detonate bombs that could have killed more than 100 people, including women and children...............

Wait, it's 3 militia white guys, and I hope they never see the light of day again. All 3 are also charged with conspiring to use a weapon of mass destruction.

3 men charged in Garden City bomb plot

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Just another right wingnut terrorist plot, this time from White Christians instead of brown Mooslims.

Good commentary on this here:

Kansas militia plot to kill Muslims shows that we have good reason to be worried about election violence.

Bodhisattva said:

but ... but .... but ...

Islamic Terrorism DWARFS terrorism by non-Muslims.

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Terrorism is terrorism regardless if the perps are Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, atheist, etc.

You are just as dead whether a Christian or Muslim detonated the bomb which killed you, so the selective nonchalance Trump supporters have shown on the issue of militia terrorism is rather hypocritical, to say the least. So much for caring about national security.

I've also never run into anybody on here trying to justify Islamic terrorism; but I have run into an individual justifying both the murder of innocents in general and this attack in particular since the victims are Muslims.

Tigerace117 said:

Terrorism is terrorism regardless if the perps are Muslim, Christian, Hindu, Jewish, atheist, etc.

You are just as dead whether a Christian or Muslim detonated the bomb which killed you, so the selective nonchalance Trump supporters have shown on the issue of militia terrorism is rather hypocritical, to say the least. So much for caring about national security.

I've also never run into anybody on here trying to justify Islamic terrorism; but I have run into an individual justifying both the murder of innocents in general and this attack in particular since the victims are Muslims.

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I think that the need for distinction is that most home grown non-Muslim terrorists are about this agenda or that agenda and are not affiliated to a larger war as the Muslim terrorists are. That is a unified front of tens to hundreds of thousands. Pretty big difference.

The Arizona Republic, one of many traditionally right-wing newspapers endorsed Clinton. As a result, they have gotten many death threats. Here's their response:

To the anonymous caller who invoked the name of Don Bolles — he’s the Republic reporter who was assassinated by a car bomb 40 years ago — and threatened that more of our reporters would be blown up because of the endorsement, I give you Kimberly. She is the young woman who answered the phone when you called. She sat in my office and calmly told three Phoenix police detectives what you had said. She told them that later, she walked to church and prayed for you. Prayed for patience, for forgiveness. Kimberly knows free speech requires compassion.

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There's a woman who understands the First Amendment.

Bodhisattva said:

I think that the need for distinction is that most home grown non-Muslim terrorists are about this agenda or that agenda and are not affiliated to a larger war as the Muslim terrorists are. That is a unified front of tens to hundreds of thousands. Pretty big difference.

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Distinction noted. The sheer number of extremist Muslim bombings is shocking if you count all the instances world wide.

Fledermaus said:

Distinction noted. The sheer number of extremist Muslim bombings is shocking if you count all the instances world wide.

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Uh-huh. This post is about a domestic terrorist act.

WICHITA, KAN. Three members of a Kansas militia group were charged Friday with plotting to bomb an apartment complex that’s home to Somali immigrants in the western Kansas meatpacking town of Garden City, a thwarted attack prosecutors say was planned for the day after the November election.
The arrests were the culmination of an eight-month FBI investigation that took agents “deep into a hidden culture of hatred and violence,” Acting U.S. Attorney Tom Beall said.

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jpn said:

Uh-huh. This post is about a domestic terrorist act.

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Are we not part of 'world wide'?