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NBC - Some Trump Supporters Demand #RepealThe19th

DarkWizard12 said:
I don't always agree with trump or his supporters but I agree 100% on this. Look at what universal sufferage has done to other ancient democracies. It's arguably, as churchill points out, a weakness in democracy when every idiot out there can vote. We shouldn't have to go as far as repealing the 19th amendment, but I do agree with the sentiment and we need common sense regulations on voting so that the vote of a doctor is not cancelled out by the vote of an unemployed welfare queen who thinks George Noory is Jesus.
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If you want more common sense, ban men from voting.
 
The Mark said:
Some Trump Supporters Demand #RepealThe19th - NBC News


I'm frankly hoping that the internet is trolling the news media, but....I just don't think there's anything that can be safely ruled offhand as trolling anymore.


Edit: An article from the LA times on the same topic: Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted - LA Times
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I think this is a response to what happened in a Trump fundraising email they sent out.


It produced an electoral map from 538, a source I trust very much, showing trump dominating the bulk of the country. Except that map was the electoral results if women didn't vote.

These ridiculous lies they are feeding the folks living in their bubble is only going to stoke more BS about the election being "Rigged!" in their eyes when it's all over.
 
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The Mark said:
Some Trump Supporters Demand #RepealThe19th - NBC News


I'm frankly hoping that the internet is trolling the news media, but....I just don't think there's anything that can be safely ruled offhand as trolling anymore.


Edit: An article from the LA times on the same topic: Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted - LA Times
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Anonymous people on Twitter, no less, say something and you are all up in arms.

Where did you get the Trump supporters from this?
 
ocean515 said:
CBS2 Investigation Uncovers Votes Being Cast From Grave Year After Year « CBS Los Angeles

CBS4 Investigation Finds Dead Voters Casting Ballots In Colorado « CBS Denver

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/he-fought-in-world-war-ii-he-died-in-2014-and-he-just-registered-to-vote-in-va/2016/09/29/5e0bffee-8670-11e6-ac72-a29979381495_story.html

Nothing to see here, look over there, Trump said that chick was hot.....

Denial and delusion, a requisite of liberal/socialist progressives...
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What does any of that have to do with you denying that some on the right are advocating for a oppression of voter rights?
 
haymarket said:
What does any of that have to do with you denying that some on the right are advocating for a oppression of voter rights?
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That's how the left tries to sell it. I'm not a buyer of the leftist propaganda.

Courts have ruled, so efforts to make sure all votes are clean, no matter the candidate, will have to be approached differently.

As those links proved, even cursory investigations point towards issues that should concern all.

The fact the left doesn't share that concern speaks volumes.
 
ocean515 said:
That's how the left tries to sell it. I'm not a buyer of the leftist propaganda.

Courts have ruled, so efforts to make sure all votes are clean, no matter the candidate, will have to be approached differently.

As those links proved, even cursory investigations point towards issues that should concern all.

The fact the left doesn't share that concern speaks volumes.
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Funny how it's always Republicans though who are suppressing votes.

The GOP Is Now Bragging About Voter Suppression
 
calamity said:
Funny how it's always Republicans though who are suppressing votes.

The GOP Is Now Bragging About Voter Suppression
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You expect me to be impressed by the spin of a far left Progressive Machine operation?

How is it these poor souls who can't produce any acceptable form of identification, somehow produce something so they can get sign up for Obamacare?

Do you support no ID for healthcare?

Given the almost even split in votes these days, and evidence of problems with voter registration and voting, all voters should be assured their vote will be clean.

It's amazing the left doesn't think so.
 
ocean515 said:
That's how the left tries to sell it. I'm not a buyer of the leftist propaganda.

Courts have ruled, so efforts to make sure all votes are clean, no matter the candidate, will have to be approached differently.

As those links proved, even cursory investigations point towards issues that should concern all.

The fact the left doesn't share that concern speaks volumes.
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You can't point to people on the left who are opposed to taking dead people off the voting rolls. The left's opposition to GOP voting rules changes are in part because they would do nothing to prevent the dead from voting absentee, but would address a non-problem of impersonation fraud, etc. You know this, we've had dozens of threads on the subject. So why bother trying to misrepresent the 'left's' position here? Fooling no one.
 
ocean515 said:
You expect me to be impressed by the spin of a far left Progressive Machine operation?

How is it these poor souls who can't produce any acceptable form of identification, somehow produce something so they can get sign up for Obamacare?

Do you support no ID for healthcare?
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Of course the problem with GOP photo ID efforts is the IDs required to get ACA coverage or "healthcare" don't qualify as acceptable IDs at the polls. You know this, or have been told it many times, and can't remember a fact from last week.

Given the almost even split in votes these days, and evidence of problems with voter registration and voting, all voters should be assured their vote will be clean.

It's amazing the left doesn't think so.
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It's amazing your straw men fail so miserably.... :roll:
 
JasperL said:
You can't point to people on the left who are opposed to taking dead people off the voting rolls. The left's opposition to GOP voting rules changes are in part because they would do nothing to prevent the dead from voting absentee, but would address a non-problem of impersonation fraud, etc. You know this, we've had dozens of threads on the subject. So why bother trying to misrepresent the 'left's' position here? Fooling no one.
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I'm thinking a dead person presenting an ID when registering would be noticed by most people.

Also, your desire to ignore recent revelations in California, Colorado, Virginia, and Pennsylvania is most disingenuous of you. Non-problem?

Makes me wonder why evidence of what could be a big problem is always declared a non-problem by the left.

I'm not sure what the answer is. It's not a big deal when voting results are significantly different.

But when elections are being decided by a small difference, the issue takes on more importance.

Again, why doesn't the left care?
 
ocean515 said:
I'm thinking a dead person presenting an ID when registering would be noticed by most people.

Also, your desire to ignore recent revelations in California, Colorado, Virginia, and Pennsylvania is most disingenuous of you. Non-problem?
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Your own stories say the fraud was conducted by absentee ballots. Good gosh, we go through this on EVERY single voting thread. And I explained it in what you posted and you ignored it then like you must in all the rest of the dozens of voting threads so far.

Makes me wonder why evidence of what could be a big problem is always declared a non-problem by the left.
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Evidence of a big problem is evidence of a big problem. Not sure what your problem is. Heck even in CA the fraud rate from the dead is something like 0.0000001% or something, couple hundred out of many millions of votes over a period of a decade. That should be solved, dead people purged, but a car wreck causing a big traffic jam near a polling place will have a FAR bigger impact on an election than all the dead who voted for a decade.

I'm not sure what the answer is. It's not a big deal when voting results are significantly different.

But when elections are being decided by a small difference, the issue takes on more importance.

Again, why doesn't the left care?
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We do.
 
JasperL said:
They don't. I'm sure you're talking about income taxes, but there are others, and it's the other taxes that are regressive instead of progressive.

And the point is the poor voting isn't causing any actual problems that them NOT voting will solve. Since Day 1 of the Republic, a relative handful of elites drive all the policy and the poor voting doesn't affect much in the big picture. There are also lots of poor people, and it's as much their country as the wealthy, and policy SHOULD at least at time address their concerns and politicians responding to their problems. So wishing they couldn't vote so taxes would be lower is pretty selfish and contemptible IMO.
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I understand your point and am in now way trying to discount its merit. Im simply adding on it that if you believe fundamentaly that everyone should have a vote and they should all be of equal power, than its principly consistent to believe we should all divide the nations debt equally as well.

Its really not too surprising to me that those with the most skin in the game drive policy to favor their positions.

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JasperL said:
Of course the problem with GOP photo ID efforts is the IDs required to get ACA coverage or "healthcare" don't qualify as acceptable IDs at the polls. You know this, or have been told it many times, and can't remember a fact from last week.



It's amazing your straw men fail so miserably.... :roll:
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Do you have a clue what form of ID is acceptable to receive treatment, or even sign up for Obamacare?

Do you think they will prescribe medications without documented proof the patient is who they say they are?

To borrow your tone, you can't even fabricate a decent story to excuse the lefts spin on this voter issue.
 
The Mark said:
Some Trump Supporters Demand #RepealThe19th - NBC News


I'm frankly hoping that the internet is trolling the news media, but....I just don't think there's anything that can be safely ruled offhand as trolling anymore.


Edit: An article from the LA times on the same topic: Trump backers tweet #repealthe19th after polls show he'd win if only men voted - LA Times
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If I were a liberal and active on social media... how could I further this "Deplorable" narrative and cause more negative publicity for the Trump Campaign???

Oh, I know!!

We'll pretend to be Trump supporters who want to take away the right to vote from women!!!!!

:roll:
 
JasperL said:
Your own stories say the fraud was conducted by absentee ballots. Good gosh, we go through this on EVERY single voting thread. And I explained it in what you posted and you ignored it then like you must in all the rest of the dozens of voting threads so far.



Evidence of a big problem is evidence of a big problem. Not sure what your problem is. Heck even in CA the fraud rate from the dead is something like 0.0000001% or something, couple hundred out of many millions of votes over a period of a decade. That should be solved, dead people purged, but a car wreck causing a big traffic jam near a polling place will have a FAR bigger impact on an election than all the dead who voted for a decade.



We do.
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So you admit it's an issue. It just doesn't rise to a level you care about.

Fine. Others do.

Have a swell day.
 
Chillfolks said:
This is a perfect example of how far journalism has fallen. The desire to be first to report a story even if false is more important than finding the truth. Twitter hash tags and internet trolls are being reported as breaking news. Wild accusations are being thrown around without any research.


A show has 2 models one showing If only women voted the other if only men. Then momets later a repeal hastag is born. Seems like a internet trolling joke has had success in working people up.

What a sad life it must be always being offended at poor attempts at humor.
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You are exactly right.

If a negative story on Trump can be created by "journalists", it will ****ing happen.
 
Tanngrisnir said:
It's not surprising, really.

Trump supporters who think this, much like Trump himself, fear and hate women and see them as objects to be controlled.
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So.... now liberals are going to tell us what Trump fears and hates and how he sees people.

All of these things, fears hates and "how the see people" are INTERNAL thought processes.


Of course, Conservatives do this too with Hillary.

Neither partisan accusations are credible.
 
Kobie said:
Can people under a certain age vote? Can people with felony convictions vote in many states? If the answer to either is "no," then we don't have universal suffrage.
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Okay Mr. Literal.

Do you really WANT 6 year olds voting?


Sometimes it is hard to tell if someone is just being too ****ing literal or being a troll..

Which are you?
 
This thing is likely a two pronged thing, with Poe's law fully in effect. For those needing a refresh, here's the generalized version of Poe's law:

Without a clear indication of intent, parody/satire of extreme views will be mistaken as sincere by many of those viewing it.

Now, to expand upon that a bit. The people who are most likely to mistake said parody/satire as legitimate are one of three things:

1. People predisposed to thinking said extreme view is "common" of a group they dislike
2. People who agree with said view, but rarely find others supporting it in that venue
3. People who normally don't pay attention to that issue, and this is the first thing that gets their attention

Here's my guess of what likely happened here...

It probably began as some troll/troll groups joking twitter crusade, either with the hope of making a snarky point, making fun of Trump supporters, or simply doing it "for the lulz". However, people who fall into group 2 that I posted above likely saw it, bought it hook line and sinker, and that embolded them to start saying making the same calls themselves thinking they're "part" of it now. Then you have people in group 1 ALSO falling for it, and seeing both the trolls and the people jumping on board with it as one in the same and thus a much bigger entity/issue than it really is.

That would be my guess on how/what is going on here.
 
ocean515 said:
That's how the left tries to sell it. I'm not a buyer of the leftist propaganda.

Courts have ruled, so efforts to make sure all votes are clean, no matter the candidate, will have to be approached differently.

As those links proved, even cursory investigations point towards issues that should concern all.

The fact the left doesn't share that concern speaks volumes.
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What does any of those opinions have to do with the right suppressing voting rights?
 
trouble13 said:
I understand your point and am in now way trying to discount its merit. Im simply adding on it that if you believe fundamentaly that everyone should have a vote and they should all be of equal power, than its principly consistent to believe we should all divide the nations debt equally as well.
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I don't agree with the conclusions to divide the debt equally, but even if I did it's not possible given the whole blood and turnips thing.

Its really not too surprising to me that those with the most skin in the game drive policy to favor their positions.
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I agree, and they do drive policy, and whining about the unwashed and undeserving POOR!! (spit) getting the same vote as the deserving WISE and the wealthy is pathetic IMO. Not to mention totally unworkable in practice. After the crash millions lost jobs because of events totally beyond their control and then were forced to take crap jobs at low pay. In this world those victims of policies put in place by elites (call it world governments or the banksters who bought those governments, doesn't matter) would then be demoted to second class citizens. When Congress passes a law raising the standard FIT deduction, millions get thrown off the voting rolls if they accept any government assistance - lose their basic right to vote. Etc.........................

And the whole idea is really embracing the principle of Jim Crow voting laws, except instead of applying only to a race, to a broad class, the dirty, undeserving-of-basic-rights poor. It's incredible to me that otherwise intelligent people who have thought about it for more than a minute, literally, express any support for it, and it's a remarkable display of contempt of their fellow Americans.
 
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