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Pence chides woman calling for 'revolution' if Clinton wins

ludin said:
Yet that is exactly what the founding fathers would have called for and did.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
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I really hope that you personally take up arms.
 
Caine said:
Be prepared to be informed that these few fraudulent votes didn't have the ability to change the election, and thus it is irrelevant.

Nevermind the fact that these are just the ones that were discovered.

Nevermind the fact that it is indeed happening.
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Any indication this is being coordinated by Hillary or the DNC? How many votes per year by the "dead'? Etc....

Bottom line is a handful of the "dead" voting out of many millions is the basis for revolution? It's alternatively insane and hilarious.
 
Caine said:
See?

I called that ****.

"BIG DEAL"

I'll put you down for not giving two ****s about the integrity of the election process.

Not surprised considering your posted lean is "Liberal".
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Well, it's an easy call. About 30 per year, out of millions. So a fraud rate of roughly 0.0000001% is supposed to keep me up at night and concerned that the outcome of this election is illegitimate?
 
ocean515 said:
At this point, I don't think they know. How do you tell? The actual vote itself is anonymous, so who these dead people voted for is unknown.

IMO, the big issue is the fact they have uncovered these occurrences. One party consistently denies the existence of this type of thing, yet, newspapers and reporters are discovering them. I think that leads to a lot of frustration, and concern.

With all the revelations of manipulation and deceit, it's understandable there are people like this woman who are really upset about it.
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Wrong, no one claims there is no voter fraud, just that it's trivial, as your links show.
 
JasperL said:
Any indication this is being coordinated by Hillary or the DNC? How many votes per year by the "dead'? Etc....

Bottom line is a handful of the "dead" voting out of many millions is the basis for revolution? It's alternatively insane and hilarious.
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I don't have any indication that this is being coordinated by Hillary or the DNC...... I didn't claim it was being coordinated by Hillary or the DNC.

Also, I never claimed that the dead rising from the grave to vote should be a reason for a revolution. I was merely responding to a poster who was providing evidence of voter fraud upon request would fall on deaf ears because, typically, directly after any evidence that voter fraud does in fact happen, the person who requested it then dismisses it as irrelevant and insignificant. In reality, the person who requested the evidence didn't expect to receive any evidence in the first place, and then when confronted with said evidence, they typically find some way to justify it or dismiss it, proving they do not give two ****s about the integrity of the election process.

So, you can take your arguments to someone else.
 
JasperL said:
Well, it's an easy call. About 30 per year, out of millions. So a fraud rate of roughly 0.0000001% is supposed to keep me up at night and concerned that the outcome of this election is illegitimate?
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So by your own logic, only the thefts and robberies that occur that are caught actually happen?
 
Jack Hays said:
CBS4 Investigation Reveals Another Dead Voter, Fraud Cases And GapsCBS Local‎ - 18 hours ago

An ongoing CBS4 Investigation into dead voters in Colorado has turned up ... October 11, 2016 11:55 PM.
Democrat confirms rampant voter fraudWND.com‎ - 7 hours ago

Dem Election Official Caught on Tape: 'There is a Lot of Voter Fraud'Townhall‎ - 9 hours ago
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Do you mind quoting from those articles. I checked the first one: “We did find a single deceased voter,” she said, “and unfortunately it was counted.”

WND article and Townhall article are about mysterious but unnamed "they" who "bus" people to vote. Where? To their own districts or to many? Doesn't say! Etc....
 
Caine said:
So by your own logic, only the thefts and robberies that occur that are caught actually happen?
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No, we have evidence of robberies because people report them. What you're asking me to do is read an article about 30 dead voters per year in a place like S. CA with millions of residents and conclude the real number is presumably....? not sure how many but far more. Why should I do that? On what evidence do I make that leap? I don't mind the evidence taking me somewhere, but I do mind partisans making baseless allegations and expecting me to believe them based on mere speculation.
 
JasperL said:
No, we have evidence of robberies because people report them. What you're asking me to do is read an article about 30 dead voters per year in a place like S. CA with millions of residents and conclude the real number is presumably....? not sure how many but far more. Why should I do that? On what evidence do I make that leap? I don't mind the evidence taking me somewhere, but I do mind partisans making baseless allegations and expecting me to believe them based on mere speculation.
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Im talking about missing merchandise.

When I was a kid.... I stole some **** from Wal-Mart... toys and such.

You tell me Wal-Mart keeps such tabs on their missing merchandise that they are able to report every single missing item on all of its shelves as stolen when they don't catch the thief????

That **** happens at retail stores on a daily basis all across the country....


But... since it doesn't get reported... according to you... it didn't happen.


A neighborhood kid's bike turns up missing. He doesn't know it was stolen because he didn't remember where he left it last... you know how kids are..

Or a tool comes up missing and nobody knows it was stolen.....



Doesn't mean it isn't happening........And yet people still put systems in place to prevent it, even though it hasn't happened to them yet.
 
Caine said:
I don't have any indication that this is being coordinated by Hillary or the DNC...... I didn't claim it was being coordinated by Hillary or the DNC.

Also, I never claimed that the dead rising from the grave to vote should be a reason for a revolution. I was merely responding to a poster who was providing evidence of voter fraud upon request would fall on deaf ears because, typically, directly after any evidence that voter fraud does in fact happen, the person who requested it then dismisses it as irrelevant and insignificant. In reality, the person who requested the evidence didn't expect to receive any evidence in the first place, and then when confronted with said evidence, they typically find some way to justify it or dismiss it, proving they do not give two ****s about the integrity of the election process.

So, you can take your arguments to someone else.
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But what right wingers do not acknowledge is there are two potential problems on voting day. The ineligible voting and the eligible being turned away. They BOTH cancel the vote of an eligible citizen. The problem with right wing "solutions" to nearly non-existent voter fraud and why others oppose them is the evidence indicates the number turned away will be 1,000 to 1 or more compared to fraudulent votes prevented. That's the issue we have with 'solutions' to voter fraud that measures in the single digits or low double digits most places per year.
 
JasperL said:
But what right wingers do not acknowledge is there are two potential problems on voting day. The ineligible voting and the eligible being turned away. They BOTH cancel the vote of an eligible citizen. The problem with right wing "solutions" to nearly non-existent voter fraud and why others oppose them is the evidence indicates the number turned away will be 1,000 to 1 or more compared to fraudulent votes prevented. That's the issue we have with 'solutions' to voter fraud that measures in the single digits or low double digits most places per year.
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If people don't have a photo ID.... how are they using their government mandated health insurance????
 
Caine said:
Im talking about missing merchandise.

When I was a kid.... I stole some **** from Wal-Mart... toys and such.

You tell me Wal-Mart keeps such tabs on their missing merchandise that they are able to report every single missing item on all of its shelves as stolen when they don't catch the thief????

That **** happens at retail stores on a daily basis all across the country....

But... since it doesn't get reported... according to you... it didn't happen.
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Well, actually Walmart has a very good record of what they stocked and what was sold because it's all electronic and know within a % or so what their loss rate is, but that's not the point, actually. The point is you can't dream up a potential problem, offer NO evidence it rises above the trivial, then expect anyone with a rational brain to accept that baseless assertion and to get on board with massive changes in the election process to solve this problem no one can document, while ignoring the downside of those efforts.
 
Caine said:
If people don't have a photo ID.... how are they using their government mandated health insurance????
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OK, I'll have to bow out after this because these same arguments are in every single voting thread, this talking point is shot down, and it just won't die, like a zombie.

The photo ID regimes struck down do not INCLUDE the kinds of ID acceptable for government benefits on the short list of ID allowed to vote. If/when the list of ID is inclusive and is drawn up to include the IDs actually held by the poor, no problem say the courts. When like in NC the legislature says, "Hey, what kind of ID is mostly held by blacks and other urban poor? Great - strike that off the list of acceptable ID!" the courts strike them down. It's not hard.
 
JasperL said:
OK, I'll have to bow out after this because these same arguments are in every single voting thread, this talking point is shot down, and it just won't die, like a zombie.

The photo ID regimes struck down do not INCLUDE the kinds of ID acceptable for government benefits on the short list of ID allowed to vote. If/when the list of ID is inclusive and is drawn up to include the IDs actually held by the poor, no problem say the courts. When like in NC the legislature says, "Hey, what kind of ID is mostly held by blacks and other urban poor? Great - strike that off the list of acceptable ID!" the courts strike them down. It's not hard.
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Later dude!!!!!
 
JasperL said:
Well, actually Walmart has a very good record of what they stocked and what was sold because it's all electronic and know within a % or so what their loss rate is, but that's not the point, actually. The point is you can't dream up a potential problem, offer NO evidence it rises above the trivial, then expect anyone with a rational brain to accept that baseless assertion and to get on board with massive changes in the election process to solve this problem no one can document, while ignoring the downside of those efforts.
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So theft doesn't occur unless it is reported according to you.

Gotcha.
 
Caine said:
So theft doesn't occur unless it is reported according to you.

Gotcha.
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So, you're unable to follow a simple argument and respond.

Gotcha! :roll:
 
JasperL said:
Do you mind quoting from those articles. I checked the first one: “We did find a single deceased voter,” she said, “and unfortunately it was counted.”

WND article and Townhall article are about mysterious but unnamed "they" who "bus" people to vote. Where? To their own districts or to many? Doesn't say! Etc....
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The request was to post reports. I posted some. End of task.
 
If there is a rebellion when Clinton gets elected, do you think she would arm the moderate rebels?
 
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