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Glenn Beck comes out for Clinton, calling her the 'ethical choice'.

If you'll look, I said "I suspect" - I did NOT give a cut-and-dried accusation, much less an assumption. A suspicion is by definition not proven even to the one that holds the suspicion...and so a suspicion cannot be accurately likened to an assumption.

You, on the other hand, in the section in parentheses, DO assume. Your assumption is accurate that I do approve of AA...but that doesn't detract from the fact that you - and not I - assumed.

Do you or don't you approve of affirmative action? You're making a huge deal out of it, so answer the question.

(Never mind that all this indignation is a handwave of the rest of what I said.)

And that's where you and I are in completely different worlds - in your world, the corporations get to decide whether they're going to cover a person's health...and in my world (and in the world of ALL the other first-world nations) it makes a lot more sense to make health care a right, so that the workforce can as a whole be healthier and better able to work for a living. Your way, sir, means that Big Business makes a better profit in the short term...whereas my way - making sure that the people don't have to choose between paying the rent or getting the health care they truly need - makes for a healthier, more capable workforce...and so makes significantly more economic sense.

Well, MY world is physical and logical reality. Things are not so just because they'd make you feel better if they were. Things you don't approve of do not stop being physical and logical reality simply because you don't approve of them.

A health insurance company is responsible only for that which is in the contract, and declining to go outside what it's responsible for is not a "denial" of anything. An employer declining to provide coverage for a specific, non-essential item is not "denial" of "health care" to anyone. This is all fact. You don't like it. Too bad. It doesn't change fact.

So, "your world" is what's termed "fantasy." It may be a comforting fantasy, but fantasy nonetheless.

And . . . I did not propose or OPpose any policy preferences one way or the other, and only spoke of physical and logical reality. You speak of "my way," yet I did not state a "way." So yeah, there's your assumption for you.
 
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Not what I asked of you....So, my guess is you can't....But, thanks for nothing.

A campaign website doesn't really mean dick considering his past views and actions of before he considered running as a republican.His current platform is nothing more than a con job to get gullible idiotic retards to vote for him.He is nothing more than Mitt Romney 2.0.Another lying sack of **** who was a liberal but then decided to pretend to a conservative the moment he wanted to run for president. Part me does hope Trump wins the general election just so I can watch him screw over every moron who voted for him.
 
You made the claim of "wild" interpretation why should the burden be on me to go look it up at moderate muslim sites knowing there is none of that nature when the quran translation is concerned. If there is you'd be first to post the link in a heart beat instead of beating around the bushes. We're not talking about evidence from taqqiyya that fools the infidels but actual islamic factual source based on the quran that they religiously taught and followed.

Guy, even the Muslims complain about how there are so many different interpretations. For instance:

The question of misinterpretation and consequent misuse of the verses is an issue that doesn't seem to be possible to be completely solved. The reason is that the Almighty has desired in this life of trial to let people decide on the basis of their free will what they choose to do. If an individual is not interested in knowing the truth, God will not stop him from misusing it.

And another one:

Actually there are varied Bible interpretations within Catholicism. But matters can be more challenging for Muslims (also Jews and Protestants) since they lack the unified teaching authority that Catholicism calls the “magisterium.” Islam contains many schools of thought and there’s no one single or simple source of interpretation on disputed points. Yet Islam has a strong consensus on much of the faith that’s similar to the “magisterium.”
The science of understanding the Quran is known as tafsir, the Arabic word for “interpretation.” The primary principle is that the whole of the Quran is used to understand individual passages, just as Christians sometimes say that “Scripture interprets Scripture.” However, in Islam the Quran is God’s word only in the Arabic text, so even translations are regarded as mere interpretations. (Although Christians freely use translations, they’re well-advised to read various versions and commentaries on important questions.) Many Muslims around the world lack fluency in Arabic and that means they cannot read the Scriptures for themselves and must rely upon secondary sources. Correct understanding often depends on the context addressed by a Quran passage, on which even experts may differ.
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Interpretation of the Hadith is crucial and can also be complex, what with six major collections followed by Sunnis and others of varying authority. To illustrate, consider the pertinent debate over Muhammad’s teaching that anyone who “leaves the Muslims” should be executed (found in Bukhari volume 9, book 83 or 87, number 17). Strict interpreters think that means apostates who convert to other religions should face capital punishment. But Muslim scholars who oppose convert executions argue that no statement is binding if it’s contained in only one Hadith collection, or else contend that the Prophet was addressing a particular historical situation that doesn’t pertain today.


In other words, there's so much contained in the Qur'an and the Hadith and Sunna that even experts in Islamic thought disagree on...and if their own experts cannot find agreement in what they consider their own holiest scriptures, who the heck are you (or I) to tell them what they do and don't believe?
 
The Arabic term "allah" actually means "the god", not "god" or "god". The designation article "the" refers to the meccan polytheists' chief god, a moon god represented by a black meteorite rock, now in fragments.


Calling something "god" or "God" does not mean that it is the same Judeo-Christian God. Hindus and other Asians calling one of their idol gods as "god" or "God" doesn't make their idol the Judeo-Christian God. The characteristics and teaching between allah and Judeo-Christians are diametrically different.

One of the things I discovered when learning a different language (Tagalog) is how true it is that there are words and concepts that cannot be easily translated into English. Even if it is true that "Allah" implies a declarative in translation, that does not mean that the actual use of "Allah" among native Arabic speakers has any real difference from how you or I use "God".

What's more, methinks you should double-check your claim on the idea that they worship a rock. Seems to me that you've been cruising right-wing gossip sites again (like, say, Infowars), and not getting your information from Muslims themselves. It's a big mistake to get your information about someone from the people who hate that particular someone.
 
Hell has officially frozen over as Glenn Beck has backed Hillary Clinton over Trump.

“It is not acceptable to ask a moral, dignified man to cast his vote to help elect an immoral man who is absent decency or dignity,” Beck writes. “If the consequence of standing against Trump and for principles is indeed the election of Hillary Clinton, so be it. At least it is a moral, ethical choice."

Even Beck is rational enough to know that just disliking Hillary is not a good enough reason to support Trump. A few posters here could learn a thing or two.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...b05d915e423e8d#block-57fd0952e4b05d915e423e8d

Has Beck started drinking heavily again?

The logic is hilarious.

I feel sorry for him.

I really do.
 
Has Beck started drinking heavily again?

The logic is hilarious.

I feel sorry for him.

I really do.
Nah, the logic is quite reasonable:

Beck opinion: Trump is not an acceptable president.
Beck conclusion: Therefore, do not vote for Trump - if this means Clinton become president, at least we can stop her **** in the congress.


Now, you can argue whether he's right about how unacceptable Trump is, but he himself has decided that he cannot justify voting for Trump just to stop Clinton from being president - and as he can find no other reason to vote for trump, he cannot vote for trump.
 

Why the need to write a lengthy diatribe of diverse points only to distract from the simple issue? The issue here is about discrimination which you heap upon the Trump camp for its stance against muslim refugee immigrants. I called you out by pointing out that it is islam that viciously attacks and discriminates against infidels, Jews and Christians included. There're many suras in the quran that denigrate and dehumanize infidels as worst of creatures (98:6), vilest of animals (8:55), diseased (2:10), stupid (2:171), deceitful (3:73), losers (7:178), perverse (2:99), perverted transgressors (3:110), unclean (9:28) and comparing unbelievers dogs drooping their tongues out in the sense of worthlessness or that they are like cows but only worst (7:179), etc.

While I could go on and show you the translations of all the above verses, why the need to do that just to clog the thread which bored people to death?

I only need to make it very simple, i.e. to focus on only one verse from among the above to make my point loud and clear. In this case I chose sura 98:6, it alone proves that the allah of islam is a bigot who dehumanizes those who don't believe in him thereby setting up its followers to discriminate against unbelievers, Jews and Christians when it pitted the muslims against the infidels by elevating the muslims as superior class over the perverted infidels", calling the muslims, "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind" (3:110. 4:141, 48:29).

This is worst than nazism for the nazi ideology does not pretend to have a religious deity hammering them over their heads by some imaginary deity with the choice of fiery hell for not muslim enough or enjoy endless sex with 72 virgins, wines and grapes and what not for obeying command to slaughter infidels for simply being unbelievers, which is the epitome of perversion. Yet, infidels are the perverted ones by allah's standard. Go figure.

You have yet to provide me a link to a quran translation that completely, or in your word, "wildly" interpreted sura 98:6 differently in benign way to that of the translations found in all other accepted quran translations used by islamic religious figures all over the world.

The following link has 53 or more translation of the Arabic quran. Thirty four of them are from the generally accepted translation that includes muslim scholars like Yusuf Ali, Muhammad Asad, Shakir and Pickthall, while the rest consists of less popular or even controversial and newer works. Nevertheless, none has a "wildly" different take on the translation that calls the unbelievers "worst of creatures".

Care to refute all that translation with another of your version of quran translation that says otherwise in a "wildly" direction?
 
One of the things I discovered when learning a different language (Tagalog) is how true it is that there are words and concepts that cannot be easily translated into English. Even if it is true that "Allah" implies a declarative in translation, that does not mean that the actual use of "Allah" among native Arabic speakers has any real difference from how you or I use "God".

What's more, methinks you should double-check your claim on the idea that they worship a rock. Seems to me that you've been cruising right-wing gossip sites again (like, say, Infowars), and not getting your information from Muslims themselves. It's a big mistake to get your information about someone from the people who hate that particular someone.

Sure, I'll go with your desperate appeal to the concept that "there are words and concepts that cannot be easily translated into English". So, just give me a phrase or a description of what the Arabic words mean if not "worst of creatures" and provide a link to an authentic and authoritative islamic source.

The rock thing is from muslims themselves. What cave have you been hiding all these times? The muslims on pilgrimage to mecca kiss the fragment left of that black rock by the kaaba in their annual ritual. The crescent moon on top of their mosque minaret is the representation of their moon god allah that morphed into the islamic deity by the same hijacked name.
 
Here is a video of a little muslim girl being brain washed by adult muslim at such an early age with the evil doctrine of hatred and discrimination against the Jews based on the quran. The adult muslima called it education for true muslim, lol if it weren't so sad and shameful:



The video says it all.
 
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Nah, the logic is quite reasonable:

Beck opinion: Trump is not an acceptable president.
Beck conclusion: Therefore, do not vote for Trump - if this means Clinton become president, at least we can stop her **** in the congress.


Now, you can argue whether he's right about how unacceptable Trump is, but he himself has decided that he cannot justify voting for Trump just to stop Clinton from being president - and as he can find no other reason to vote for trump, he cannot vote for trump.

Those in the FBI believe Hillary should have been stopped and put in prison.

Since the Republicans did such a fantastic job stopping Obama, what makes anyone think they will stop Hillary... or Kaine?

Congress is a huge reason Trump won... with historic numbers. There were ample chances for The Establishment. They didn't go anywhere.
 
Here is a video of a little muslim girl being brain washed by adult muslim at such an early age with the evil doctrine of hatred and discrimination against the Jews based on the quran. The adult muslima called it education for true muslim, lol if it weren't so sad and shameful:




The video says it all.


Quite similar to our Goebbels Inspired Media.
 
Those in the FBI believe Hillary should have been stopped and put in prison.

Since the Republicans did such a fantastic job stopping Obama, what makes anyone think they will stop Hillary... or Kaine?

Congress is a huge reason Trump won... with historic numbers. There were ample chances for The Establishment. They didn't go anywhere.
I'm not saying I agree with Beck, I'm just saying that once you reach the conclusion that Trump is unacceptable, you have to accept the probability that Clinton will be president.
 
Sure, I'll go with your desperate appeal to the concept that "there are words and concepts that cannot be easily translated into English". So, just give me a phrase or a description of what the Arabic words mean if not "worst of creatures" and provide a link to an authentic and authoritative islamic source.

The rock thing is from muslims themselves. What cave have you been hiding all these times? The muslims on pilgrimage to mecca kiss the fragment left of that black rock by the kaaba in their annual ritual. The crescent moon on top of their mosque minaret is the representation of their moon god allah that morphed into the islamic deity by the same hijacked name.

Yeah, you really are getting your info from Islamophobic sites, aren't you? Perhaps that's why you aren't providing any links to prove what you say. More pertinent to the point, you really can't bring yourself to actually see what the Muslims themselves say about it, can you? From the Wiki:

Muhammad Labib al-Batanuni, writing in 1911, commented on the practice that the pre-Islamic practice of venerating stones (including the Black Stone) arose not because such stones are "sacred for their own sake, but because of their relation to something holy and respected." [38] The Indian Islamic scholar Muhammad Hamidullah summed up the meaning of the Black Stone:

"[T]he Prophet has named the (Black Stone) the 'right hand of God' (yamin-Allah), and for purpose. In fact one poses there one's hand to conclude the pact, and God obtains there our pact of allegiance and submission. In the qur'anic terminology, God is the king, and … in (his) realm there is a metropolis (Umm al-Qurra) and in the metropolis naturally a palace (Bait-Allah, home of God). If a subject wants to testify to his loyalty, he has to go to the royal palace and conclude personally the pact of allegiance. The right hand of the invisible God must be visible symbolically. And that is the al-Hajar al-Aswad, the Black Stone in the Ka'bah."

In recent years, however, several literalist views of the Black Stone have emerged. A small minority accepts as literally true an allegorical hadith which asserts that "the Stone will appear on the Day of Judgement (Qiyamah) with eyes to see and a tongue to speak, and give evidence in favor of all who kissed it in true devotion, but speak out against whoever indulged in gossip or profane conversations during his circumambulation of the Kaaba".


So it looks like you got your info from a site that locked onto the literalist views and assumed such was true for all Muslims...when the reality proves what I've been telling you all along: there are MANY different and conflicting views of Islam and the Qur'an...and one simply can't point to the actions of any one group and claim that group's actions are representative of Islam as a whole! Such is a grand-scale example of the broad-brush logical fallacy!
 
In this case I chose sura 98:6, it alone proves that the allah of islam is a bigot who dehumanizes those who don't believe in him thereby setting up its followers to discriminate against unbelievers, Jews and Christians when it pitted the muslims against the infidels by elevating the muslims as superior class over the perverted infidels", calling the muslims, "Ye are the best of peoples, evolved for mankind" (3:110. 4:141, 48:29).

And that's your problem right there: you CHOSE. You cherry-picked. You picked a verse with the apparent assumption that there are no conflicting verses, that there is somehow no other way to see the verse other than the way that YOU see it.

That would be like choosing certain verses in Deuteronomy (like, say, the one that says that disrespectful children will be put to death, or the one where the Hebrews were commanded to leave no one alive, not even the children, not even the animals) and declaring that those verses are the be-all and end-all of Christianity, without looking to see if there are other verses or interpretation that nullify or explain those commands.

Look again at 98:6 - "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Does that include, then, Christians and Jews? Apparently, to you it does - and looking at that verse is all you needed to make up your mind...and so you felt no need to look to see if there were any contradictions or explanations included elsewhere, did you?

From 2:62 - "Truly those who keep the faith, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and performs virtuous deeds — surely their reward is with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, neither shall they grieve. (2:62)"

This shows that 98:6 did NOT refer to Christians or to Jews...and so it plainly shows that what YOU thought about 98:6 was flatly wrong.

Just as with the Bible, you can't cherry-pick verses and make up your mind about what a religion preaches based on those cherry-picked verses. But that's precisely what you have done.
 
And that's your problem right there: you CHOSE. You cherry-picked. You picked a verse with the apparent assumption that there are no conflicting verses, that there is somehow no other way to see the verse other than the way that YOU see it.

That would be like choosing certain verses in Deuteronomy (like, say, the one that says that disrespectful children will be put to death, or the one where the Hebrews were commanded to leave no one alive, not even the children, not even the animals) and declaring that those verses are the be-all and end-all of Christianity, without looking to see if there are other verses or interpretation that nullify or explain those commands.

Look again at 98:6 - "Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures."

Does that include, then, Christians and Jews? Apparently, to you it does - and looking at that verse is all you needed to make up your mind...and so you felt no need to look to see if there were any contradictions or explanations included elsewhere, did you?

From 2:62 - "Truly those who keep the faith, and the Jews, and the Christians, and the Sabaeans — whoever believes in God and the Last Day and performs virtuous deeds — surely their reward is with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, neither shall they grieve. (2:62)"

This shows that 98:6 did NOT refer to Christians or to Jews...and so it plainly shows that what YOU thought about 98:6 was flatly wrong.

Just as with the Bible, you can't cherry-pick verses and make up your mind about what a religion preaches based on those cherry-picked verses. But that's precisely what you have done.

No, stop the distraction. I could go on and pull out every verses of the quran that denigrate the unbelievers with derogatory names and provide 52 more English translations for each verse. Take would take up the bulk of the whole thread and waste all my time when I can just show you in details just one verse and make my case of discrimination on the part of islam. The rest you can do your study with the same method I provided here. So, why the redundancy and lengthy posts one after the other. I don't think you want that. You just want to use it as an excuse to thrash me, that's all.

The phrase "People of the Book" does refer to Jews and Christians who possess the Book of Scriptures before mohammed.
 
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Yeah, you really are getting your info from Islamophobic sites, aren't you? Perhaps that's why you aren't providing any links to prove what you say. More pertinent to the point, you really can't bring yourself to actually see what the Muslims themselves say about it, can you? From the Wiki:

Muhammad Labib al-Batanuni, writing in 1911, commented on the practice that the pre-Islamic practice of venerating stones (including the Black Stone) arose not because such stones are "sacred for their own sake, but because of their relation to something holy and respected." [38] The Indian Islamic scholar Muhammad Hamidullah summed up the meaning of the Black Stone:

"[T]he Prophet has named the (Black Stone) the 'right hand of God' (yamin-Allah), and for purpose. In fact one poses there one's hand to conclude the pact, and God obtains there our pact of allegiance and submission. In the qur'anic terminology, God is the king, and … in (his) realm there is a metropolis (Umm al-Qurra) and in the metropolis naturally a palace (Bait-Allah, home of God). If a subject wants to testify to his loyalty, he has to go to the royal palace and conclude personally the pact of allegiance. The right hand of the invisible God must be visible symbolically. And that is the al-Hajar al-Aswad, the Black Stone in the Ka'bah."

In recent years, however, several literalist views of the Black Stone have emerged. A small minority accepts as literally true an allegorical hadith which asserts that "the Stone will appear on the Day of Judgement (Qiyamah) with eyes to see and a tongue to speak, and give evidence in favor of all who kissed it in true devotion, but speak out against whoever indulged in gossip or profane conversations during his circumambulation of the Kaaba".


So it looks like you got your info from a site that locked onto the literalist views and assumed such was true for all Muslims...when the reality proves what I've been telling you all along: there are MANY different and conflicting views of Islam and the Qur'an...and one simply can't point to the actions of any one group and claim that group's actions are representative of Islam as a whole! Such is a grand-scale example of the broad-brush logical fallacy!

LOL, so you're making an appeal to 20th century revisionist's overcoat paint job to sanitize the black stone from islam and ignore the original islamic tradition and history according to early islamic sources?
 
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